Full transcript of “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” Oct. 12, 2025

On this “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” broadcast, moderated by Margaret Brennan: 

• Vice President JD Vance
• Sen. Chris Murphy, Democrat of Connecticut
• Rep. Jim Himes, Democrat of Connecticut
• Badr Abdelatty, Egyptian international minister

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MARGARET BRENNAN: I am Margaret Brennan in Washington.

President Trump prepares to go to Israel, because the deadline to launch the remaining 48 hostages nears. In the meantime, some federal workers will miss paychecks. Others face pink slips, as the federal government shutdown drags on. We are going to discuss to Vice President J.D. Vance.

Hopeful Gazans have begun the trek again to their properties, because the cease-fire between Israel and Hamas continues to carry. However the rebuilding and restoration forward is daunting and nonetheless very a lot unsettled. President Trump will be a part of particular envoy Steve Witkoff and son-in-law Jared Kushner within the area as peace talks proceed.

Democrats Chris Murphy and Jim Himes might be right here, along with the vp. And we’ll hear from a key participant within the area on the subsequent a part of the peace course of.

With the shutdown now in its twelfth day, extra federal services are dealing with closure, paychecks are on the verge of being missed, and the Trump administration has begun sending discount in pressure notices to some federal workers.

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DONALD TRUMP (President of the USA): Properly, these are largely those that the Democrats need. A lot of them might be fired.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: It is all simply forward on Face the Nation.

Good morning, and welcome to Face the Nation.

We start at the moment with Vice President J.D. Vance, who joins us from Cincinnati this morning.

Good morning to you, Mr. Vice President.

J.D. VANCE (Vice President of the USA): Good morning, Margaret. Thanks for having me.

MARGARET BRENNAN: We’re getting very near that 72-hour deadline for the hostage launch. I feel the world is holding its breath right here. Is the administration seeing indicators that Hamas and Israel are complying with all the pieces they should and that this can go forward?

VICE PRESIDENT J.D. VANCE: Sure, Margaret, so knock on wooden, however we really feel very assured the hostages might be launched, and that the president is definitely touring to the Center East possible this night in an effort to meet them and greet them in individual.

It is a large day for his or her households, however I feel, extra importantly, it is a large day for the complete world. Now, the president of the USA mentioned to his complete diplomatic staff, particularly Marco Rubio, Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner, to go and get a deal accomplished, to cease the struggle in Gaza, to start to rebuild Gaza so the inhabitants may stay there in peace and prosperity, to truly eradicate the specter of terrorism to our mates in Israel – which may be very, crucial, and in addition to carry the hostages residence alive.

It was a really tall process. He pursued a really nontraditional diplomacy with individuals who weren’t 40-year diplomats, however individuals who introduced a contemporary perspective to it. And, in fact, the president was criticized for it. The diplomatic staff was criticized for it.

However I feel that, as a result of he selected a unique pathway, he did not simply do what everyone else up to now had accomplished, we at the moment are on the cusp of a sustainable peace within the Center East. It is an amazing second.

MARGARET BRENNAN: These are some very formidable plans in section two specifically of this deal.

Let me ask you about a number of the particulars, as a result of the administration has pledged about 200 U.S. troops from Central Command to be a part of implementing this deal. They don’t seem to be going to be in Gaza, however how lengthy will they be concerned right here?

And, extra broadly, is the Trump administration absolutely dedicated to preserving the stress on? As a result of these belongings you simply talked about aren’t going to occur in a single day when it comes to dismantling Hamas and constructing in direction of a steady Gaza.

VICE PRESIDENT J.D. VANCE: You are precisely proper, Margaret.

It will take constant leverage and constant stress from the president of the USA on down. I do know the president may be very dedicated to doing that.

However you requested concerning the 200 troops from Central Command. I feel you place it precisely. These usually are not troops who’re going to be put in Gaza, however they’re troops who’re already at Central Command. They have been at that base for a lot of, a few years, and they are going to assist monitor and mediate this peace. Inevitably, there are going to be conflicts right here.

There are going to be issues that the individuals in Gaza disagree with Israel about, that the Israelis disagree with the Gulf Arab states about. We see our position actually as mediating a few of these disputes and making certain that the stress stays on everyone to realize a sturdy and lasting peace.

One of many underreported parts of this deal, Margaret, is that the president satisfied the complete Muslim world actually, each the Gulf Arab states, however as far in Southeast Asia as Indonesia, to actually step up and supply floor troops in order that Gaza might be secured in security.

And that really makes it attainable to rebuild. It makes it attainable to dismantle these terrorist networks. It makes it attainable to make sure that lasting peace that every one of us care a lot about. So we expect that the Arab nations, the Muslim-majority nations, are going to step up in a giant method with troops on the bottom.

We’ll proceed to play our mediation position. And I feel that is a really, excellent place for all of us to be. It has been profitable to this point, and, in fact, we’ll work to make it as profitable all over as we are able to.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Huge image, although, in terms of American safety, you mentioned again in July that you simply’d seen what you known as heartbreaking photographs of little youngsters who’re clearly ravenous to demise in Gaza and that – quote – “Israel’s bought to do extra to let that help in.”

Are you involved that even when, God prepared, this struggle ends, America’s safety has been endangered by this notion that America has been OK with Israel and in assist of it, regardless of conduct that clearly you and the president did not agree with?

VICE PRESIDENT J.D. VANCE: Properly, look, because the president mentioned, it’s a must to keep in mind, the struggle began due to a brutal terrorist assault on Israeli soil, and we have been laser-focused on eliminating the terrorist risk to the Israelis, whereas additionally making certain that the harmless individuals in Gaza get the mandatory humanitarian help.

That is a troublesome steadiness to strike. However I feel for those who have a look at the dancing on the street in Gaza, for those who have a look at the way in which that the Gulf Arab states, actually the complete Muslim world, but additionally you have a look at how the Israelis responded, they have been cheering on the point out of President Trump’s identify yesterday in a large rally in Israel, that is a type of peace offers the place Muslims and Jews and Christians all appear unified that it is a actually good factor for the world.

It is a actually good factor for humanity, and it occurred due to President Trump’s management. So I truly assume this peace deal will make us safer. I am positive they are going to be some laborious emotions from the final couple of years of struggle. There all the time are. But when we are able to construct a sustainable peace, Margaret, I’m one hundred pc positive People might be safer due to it.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Let me ask you about what’s occurring right here at residence, or maybe not occurring, in terms of negotiations to reopen the federal government.

There have been greater than 4,000 layoff notices, known as RIFs, or discount in pressure, bulletins, that went out Friday to staff throughout seven completely different businesses, together with Treasury and Well being and Human Providers. Take a hearken to how the president described this.

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DONALD TRUMP (President of the USA): We’ll be chopping some very fashionable Democrat packages that are not well-liked with Republicans, frankly, as a result of that is the way in which it really works. They wished to do that, so we’ll give them just a little style of their very own drugs.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: How are you deciding who will get laid off?

VICE PRESIDENT J.D. VANCE: Properly, the primary factor that we’re targeted on, Margaret, is making certain important companies stay open.

And, clearly, in a authorities shutdown, we now have restricted funds to work with, as a result of the appropriations that maintain the federal government operating haven’t been made. That is due to Chuck Schumer and the Democrats. So we’re making an attempt to do all the pieces that we are able to to make sure that low-income girls and kids get the meals companies that they want.

We’re making an attempt to be sure that we pay our troops, as a result of that issues for nationwide safety. We additionally need our individuals to get their paychecks. That is the place we have been targeted. And, sadly, what that does imply Margaret is that some federal bureaucrats are going to must get laid off. This isn’t a state of affairs that we’re enthusiastic about.

We wish the federal government to reopen, however Chuck Schumer and the Democrats determined to close down the federal government, and we now have to cope with the implications within the administration, so that is what we’re doing.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, these aren’t furloughs. These are notifications of being laid off, of shedding their jobs. That is why it is just a little completely different this time.

And particularly in terms of what’s occurring inside the well being sector, CBS did verify on Saturday that the Trump administration went and rescinded a number of the layoffs of lots of of CDC scientists who have been mistakenly laid off on Friday, after which instructed Saturday that is not the case.

However a few of them have been concerned with the federal measles response. A few of them have been concerned with the response on Ebola. How does a mistake like this occur? Did the White Home even discuss to the CDC?

VICE PRESIDENT J.D. VANCE: Properly, so – so two – two responses to that, Margaret.

To start with, I wish to guarantee the American those that the frontline well being care staff, the individuals who monitor measles, Ebola and different infectious illnesses, these persons are nonetheless on the job, and we’re making an attempt very laborious to determine how to make sure these individuals get a paycheck, in fact, as a result of we wish them to be blissful and wholesome. We wish them to have the ability to do their jobs nicely.

However the second level, Margaret, is, the federal government shutdown inevitably results in some chaos. We’re determining find out how to take cash from some areas and provides it to different areas. That chaos is as a result of Schumer and the far left Democrats shut down the federal government.

We’ve got to recollect, Margaret, that the overwhelming majority of Republicans and – and, to their nice credit score, various average Democrats have persistently voted to reopen the federal government. But when Chuck Schumer and the far left Senate Democrats are going to close down the federal government, that’s going to result in some chaos.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

VICE PRESIDENT J.D. VANCE: So, you ask, how does this error occur? It occurred as a result of Chuck Schumer shut down the federal government, and we’re making an attempt to be sure that important companies nonetheless perform within the face of that shutdown.

MARGARET BRENNAN: However that was a White Home choice to put off these people. You heard the president speaking about that. That – that wasn’t Chuck Schumer’s choice. I perceive your broader level on the negotiations, however the layoffs got here from the president and the White Home.

VICE PRESIDENT J.D. VANCE: However my level is, Margaret, that we now have to do layoffs as a result of we now have to protect vital assets to do probably the most important issues that the federal government does.

And, in that section, you are going to have some chaos. You are going to lay off individuals, frankly, Margaret, that the White Home does not wish to lay off. We want to reopen the federal government and make sure the important – important companies keep on.

However, sadly, in an surroundings the place we’re coping with restricted assets, the place the federal government is shut down, we have got to maneuver some issues round. And in that transferring issues round, there may be some chaos, there may be some unpredictability, however we’re making an attempt to do all the pieces that we are able to with the – the hand of playing cards that Chuck Schumer and the Democrats have dealt us.

That is our solemn promise, and that is our obligation to the American individuals, however there’s going to be chaos. That is why we wish to open the federal government. That is why we wish the Democrats to simply accept that the federal government ought to be open.

MARGARET BRENNAN: However are you assured that these job cuts are authorized, that these reductions in pressure throughout a shutdown are going to face up to authorized scrutiny, on condition that some unions are saying it is a violation of the Antideficiency Act?

VICE PRESIDENT J.D. VANCE: Properly, we’re assured, Margaret.

In fact, we all the time comply with the regulation, and we all the time comply with courtroom instances, and we expect that we now have the authority to do what we have to do. I am positive that some individuals will sue, and that can get discovered in courtroom. However the actuality is, we now have to recollect, why are we on this state of affairs, Margaret?

All these conversations about whether or not it is a non permanent layoff or a everlasting layoff, we’re coping with a horrible, chaotic state of affairs as a result of Chuck Schumer and some far left Democrats determined to close down the federal government.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

VICE PRESIDENT J.D. VANCE: If they only joined with the average Democrats and the overwhelming majority of Republicans, we are able to open up the federal government, and all of those conversations will now not be vital.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Once I pressed Chief Schumer on this program simply final Sunday about this, about reopening the federal government, he mentioned it’ll take getting everybody in the identical room with the president of the USA.

Solely the 5 individuals, together with the president, he mentioned, can resolve it. Why does not the president insist that lawmakers come again to Washington, sit with him and discuss this via?

VICE PRESIDENT J.D. VANCE: Properly, as Chuck Schumer mentioned, it isn’t all lawmakers. It is the Senate management that actually is driving the shutdown. The Home has already handed a invoice to reopen the federal government. It is the Senate and, once more, it is a far left form of contingent of Senate Democrats who’re preserving the federal government shut down.

MARGARET BRENNAN: However the president says he is a dealmaker. Why does not he pressure a deal right here? Why does not he inform Republicans, just like the speaker, get your lawmakers again right here, come into my workplace, let’s hammer this factor out?

VICE PRESIDENT J.D. VANCE: Margaret, it is a completely honest query, and the reply is, as a result of this is not a dealmaking. This is not a negotiation. That is hostage-taking.

Chuck Schumer has not mentioned to us, that is what we’d like. He mentioned that, until you give us what we’d like, we’ll shut down the federal government. That may be a completely completely different factor. If Chuck Schumer needs to return into the Oval Workplace or come to my home, he’s welcome to speak about find out how to repair well being care coverage for People.

In fact we wish to decrease insurance coverage premiums. We wish to be sure that the skyrocketing well being care prices of the Biden administration begin to degree off and hopefully come down. That is one dialog. However you do not come into the Oval Workplace and say, until you, the president of the USA, give us all the pieces that I would like, I’ll shut down the federal government. I’ll deny low-income girls and kids their meals advantages. I am not going to pay the troops.

That’s what Chuck Schumer has put us within the state of affairs of doing. We do not negotiate with an individual who has taken the complete federal authorities hostage over a well being care coverage dispute. And I feel that fundamental precept – you noticed Barack Obama say this to Ted Cruz and various Republicans.

We wish to discuss well being care coverage, however we’re not going to close down the federal government over this. That is all that Donald Trump is now saying to Chuck Schumer and the far left Democrats. We’re not going to barter over opening the federal government. We’ll negotiate on well being care coverage, however solely when you do your job and open up the individuals’s authorities.

MARGARET BRENNAN: OK, only a fast comply with there, although. What’s your imaginative and prescient for that well being care coverage? Would you like these tax credit to fade out over time, lengthen them after which fade them out? Are you open to creating them everlasting?

VICE PRESIDENT J.D. VANCE: Properly, the tax credit go to some individuals deservedly. And we expect the tax credit truly go to quite a lot of waste and fraud inside the insurance coverage business. So we wish to be sure that the tax credit go to the individuals who want them.

We additionally assume that Obamacare gave the medical health insurance business quite a lot of ridiculous laws that, if we lower out, we may give individuals entry to higher well being care at a decrease value. That is what we’re engaged on. And, once more, I feel there’s quite a lot of settlement, truly, Margaret.

That is the loopy factor about this. There’s quite a lot of willingness to barter, quite a lot of willingness to compromise from each the average Democrats and definitely from the White Home. But when the far left Democrats led by Chuck Schumer are going to close down the federal government and refuse to open up the federal government until they get all the pieces they need, that is not a negotiation. That is a hostage-taking, and we’re not going to reward that form of conduct from Washington, D.C.

MARGARET BRENNAN: All proper, Mr. Vice President, thanks on your time this morning.

Face the Nation might be again in a single minute. Stick with us.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: We flip now to the international minister of Egypt, Dr. Badr Abdelatty. And he joins U.S. this morning from Cairo.

Welcome to Face the Nation.

DR. BADR ABDELATTY (Egyptian Minister of International Affairs): Good to be with you, Margaret. Thanks a lot for internet hosting me.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So, President Trump is headed to Egypt. I do know he might be assembly with President El-Sisi tomorrow in Sharm el-Sheikh to debate this settlement about Gaza.

However all the pieces appears depending on this hostage launch and the conclusion of section one. From what you realize and listen to from Hamas, will these hostages be launched within the subsequent 24 hours?

FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: Properly, we’re assured that the primary section of the Trump peace plan might be applied, might be honored by all components considerations.

And we’re transferring forward. We’re very hopeful that the primary section might be accomplished in all honesty from the 2 events. And we’re in full contact with the Palestinians, with the Hamas, as a result of it is all about, in fact, releasing the hostages and, for Israel, releasing a number of the Palestinian detainees, returning again some – I imply, the our bodies of the – those that handed away.

However that can take time to gather the stays, in fact, and to permit the circulate of all humanitarian help to Gaza with out impediments in an effort to cope with present famine and hunger in Gaza.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So, the vp, who you simply heard, mentioned that President Trump has satisfied various nations to supply floor troops to enter Gaza. Will Egypt be sending floor troops into Gaza?

FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: Properly, a part of the deal is, in fact, the difficulty of safety association. And we’re engaged on completely different ranges.

To start with, there are some Palestinians in Gaza. They are going to be skilled and be deployed in Gaza. We’re within the course of now, as we converse, offering coaching and coordination with Jordan to coach as much as 5,000 Palestinians to be deployed in Gaza as nicely.

Deployment of worldwide pressure is on the desk. We’re supporting this concept, in fact. And there are some nations expressed their readiness to deploy forces to contribute with the forces on the bottom. And we now have to work now on going to the Safety Council, in fact, to endorse the proposal, in addition to defining…

MARGARET BRENNAN: So…

FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: … the primary mandate of those troops on the bottom.

MARGARET BRENNAN: However the chief of Indonesia is already dedicated to twenty,000 troops. Is Egypt going to commit troops? Do you will have a quantity?

FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: We’re. We’re going to assist and to commit troops inside particular parameters.

MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.

FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: As I discussed, we should have a mandate by the Safety Council to endorse it and, in fact, to specify the mission of the troops on the bottom, which might be peacekeeping, and find out how to present coaching to the Palestinian policemen in an effort to do their job, to have regulation enforcement on the bottom, and, in fact, to outline the entire mission…

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: … and for the way lengthy, as a result of will probably be a transitional one, in an effort to assist the Palestinians to imagine their full duties and to – till we now have the belief of the Palestinian state on the bottom.

MARGARET BRENNAN: You’re committing there to a Palestinian state. The president of the USA has given a bit extra imprecise language.

And after I pressed the secretary of state on this level simply final weekend, he mentioned that is far off sooner or later. How lengthy do you assume it’ll take earlier than Palestinians are ruling Gaza and that we’ll see a state?

FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: Properly, what’s very pressing now’s, in fact, ending this struggle on the harmless civilians in Gaza, present as a lot as – meals and drugs to the individuals there.

After which we now have to maneuver ahead with regard to the early restoration and the reconstructions of Gaza, and, in fact, speaking about points associated to the governance and the safety association in Gaza.

And, in fact, from our viewpoint, the endgame, the ultimate complete resolution would be the realization of the Palestinian state, as a result of, with out that, we’re assured via – we now have to attract classes from the previous that, with out fixing the Palestinian trigger, which is the core of the battle within the area, with out respecting the reputable aspirations…

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: … of the Palestinians to have their very own statehood, there is no such thing as a peace and stability within the area.

And the Trump peace plan, it refers back to the statehood. And, in fact, 144 nations voted in favor of…

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: … the two-state resolution in New York just lately.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.

FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: So, that is the sport on the town.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, it – once more, that is going to seemingly take quite a lot of time.

I wish to return to the query of safety, as a result of it’s important for rebuilding, and share with you a few of what the United Nations estimates right here. The U.N. says 92 p.c of housing models in Gaza are destroyed or broken. Nearly 92 p.c of colleges would require full reconstruction or rehab; 77 p.c of the whole highway community has been broken; 86 p.c of whole cropland is destroyed.

How a lot is that this going to value, and the place is that this cash coming from?

FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: Properly, to start with, we now have full confidence on the management of President Trump and his imaginative and prescient for peace.

He is the one one who is succesful to finish the struggle and to open a brand new chapter within the Center East, a chapter of hope, of prosperity and peace for all peoples, together with, in fact, the Israeli individuals, the Palestinians and all peoples in our area. So we’re very appreciative, who’re commending his management, and we’re in full assist of his imaginative and prescient and his management.

That is one.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly…

FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: Quantity two, we’re working very laborious now with regard to convening a world convention in cooperation between Egypt and the USA, in addition to with quite a lot of companions, together with Germany, European Union, France…

MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.

FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: … Italy, Spain, Qatar, Gulf Cooperation Council, Japan. All people is standing able to take part on this convention for the reconstruction and redevelopment of Gaza.

It will likely be a merge between the Arab and Islamic plan for the reconstruction and the Trump peace plan.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure. OK.

FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: So, I met at the moment with…

MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly…

FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: … the deputy secretary-general for humanitarian affairs of the United Nations, Tom Fletcher.

MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.

FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: And we’re working very laborious now for having a remaining evaluation report on the…

MARGARET BRENNAN: OK. I’ll…

FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: Whats up?

MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, we’ll look – we’ll search for that quantity to be launched sooner or later.

Mr. International Minister, I’ve to depart it there for now. Good luck with the convention.

We might be proper again.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: Make sure to tune in tomorrow to our CBS Information protection of the Israel hostage launch. CBS Mornings co-host Tony Dokoupil will report stay from Israel.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: And welcome again to “FACE THE NATION.”

There are 200 U.S. troops going to Israel to assist coordinate the Israel/Hamas ceasefire. They’ve begun arriving forward of tomorrow’s anticipated hostage launch. Our Debora Patta studies now from east Jerusalem.

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DEBORA PATTA (voice over): Greater than 400,000 Israelis crammed into Hostage Sq. final evening.

STEVE WITKOFF (U.S. Particular Envoy to the Center East): To the hostages themselves, our brothers and sisters, you might be coming residence.

DEBORA PATTA (voice over): A hero’s welcome from Center East Envoy Steve Witkoff, flanked by President Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner.

STEVE WITKOFF: To Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu –

CROWD: Boo.

STEVE WITKOFF: However Witkoff was by no means going to persuade a crowd, who’ve lived via heartbreak, despair, and rage, and accused Prime Minister Netanyahu of abandoning hostages in Gaza.

Retired Common Israel Zif (ph), who rushed to avoid wasting lives throughout the October 7 Hamas assault, believes this deal may have been sealed over a yr in the past.

GENERAL ISRAEL ZIF (ph), (Retired): It is late. The prices have been, nicely, very excessive, internally and externally. I feel that politically the Israel misplaced their identify (ph) within the struggle as a result of we went possibly too far in Gaza. I feel the assault in Doha (ph) was additionally, you realize, one step an excessive amount of. However, in the long run, it introduced at the very least the President Trump to made the fitting choice to cease the struggle.

DEBORA PATTA (voice over): The ceasefire continues to be holding. Forty=eight hostages, residing and useless, might be exchanged for 250 Palestinian prisoners serving life sentences and 1,700 detained since October, 2023. The deadline is Monday. As Israeli troops withdrew to an agreed upon line inside Gaza, lots of of 1000’s of Palestinians began the lengthy stroll residence. Nearly the complete inhabitants has been displaced.

MAN: I imply we benefit from the second proper now, and – and personally I am going residence even supposing it might be a pile of garbage (ph).

DEBORA PATTA (voice over): Regardless that properties, unrecognizable for therefore many, Palestinians are determined t reclaim reminiscences of life earlier than the struggle.

“I’ll simply stay in a tent close to the rubble of my residence,” mentioned Oma Hamid Somwar (ph), “till I can discover a resolution.”

The ache of loss is all over the place. Greater than 67,000 individuals have been killed, based on Gaza’s well being ministry. And minds, too, have been shattered by this struggle. Fourteen-year-old Kareem (ph) was so traumatized, he could not keep in mind the place he as soon as lived.

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DEBORA PATTA (on digicam): Now, UNICEF Says they’ve by no means recognized a spot the place each single baby wants psychological assist.

Margaret.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Deb, that’s simply laborious to listen to. For individuals who are elevating their hopes of what is likely to be occurring within the subsequent 24 hours, what have you ever discovered about how this launch will occur?

DEBORA PATTA: Margaret, Israeli officers say they anticipate the 20 residing hostages to all be launched early tomorrow morning. They’re going to be pushed to an Israeli navy base and reunited with their households earlier than being taken to hospital.

The Purple Cross can even hand over all of the our bodies that may be situated of family members killed in captivity. And in trade, Palestinian prisoners might be ready in buses. They are going to solely be launched as soon as the hostages have crossed over into Israel.

And now this would possibly simply be the best half, as a result of then talks will happen round thornier points like Hamas disarmament and governance of a post-war Gaza.

And, in fact, we all know, President Trump arrives in Israel tomorrow the place he’ll be met by Prime Minister Netanyahu. After which he addresses the Knesset, Israel’s parliament.

Margaret.

MARGARET BRENNAN: And – and as you mentioned, then the laborious work begins.

Deb Patta, on the bottom for us, thanks.

And we’re joined now right here in studio by Connecticut Democrat Senator Chris Murphy.

Thanks for being with us.

SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY (D-CT): In fact.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Simply on this subject. I do know you will have quite a lot of variations with the president, however on this, is that this a transparent win?

SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: Properly, it is actually necessary that we now have a ceasefire. It is necessary that these hostages are coming residence. And I congratulate the negotiators on getting this accomplished. There’s – there is no politics about this second, as you are going to see some very tearful reunions tomorrow, hopefully, as these hostages are launched.

However you watch these devastating photographs of what Gaza seems to be like at the moment, and it is each heartbreaking and infuriating that this deal has been on the desk for over a yr, and it has been Benjamin Netanyahu, due to his political issues, domestically, making an attempt to guard himself, has annoyed the power to search out peace and to get the hostages residence far earlier than at the moment.

So, once more, this might be a very good week. However as you will have reported, there are large points to return. Israel shouldn’t be absolutely pulling out of Gaza. There is not any clear path ahead on what the safety and governance pressure goes to appear to be inside that nation. There is definitely a threat of hostilities start once more if we do not construct on this primary section and are available to some selections about what Gaza seems to be like heading into subsequent yr.

MARGARET BRENNAN: And President Biden wasn’t prepared to place this sort of stress on Benjamin Netanyahu. President Trump has. Your level is, that is bought to be sustained stress to see this all over. Am I understanding you?

SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: Sure. Sure.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: I imply, hear, I feel the barrier right here has been Netanyahu. And Netanyahu is simply going to maneuver if he thinks that his relationship with the USA is in danger. And so clearly, the stress goes to must proceed to be robust and fixed.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Now, let me ask you concerning the different diplomacy that should occur simply up the road, frankly. You might have known as on Democrats to stiffen their spines, to face as much as the president of the USA. At what level, although, does this ache change into an excessive amount of when it comes to the price of the shutdown, and when are Democrats going to indicate some flexibility on this?

SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: Properly, I listened to the vp, and he is simply not residing in actuality. The actual fact –

MARGARET BRENNAN: What do you imply?

SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: Properly, as a result of there is no negotiations occurring proper now as a result of Republicans are boycotting these negotiations. They’re boycotting negotiations to reopen the federal government as a result of they’re determined to lift premiums on individuals on this nation by 75 p.c in an effort to finance their tax lower for the rich. Their solely precedence is defending the billionaire class and the company class.

The opposite cause the Home of Representatives is not on the town proper now making an attempt to reopen the federal government, as a result of they’re about to have sufficient votes to cross a decision mandating the discharge of the Epstein information.

So, J.D. Vance and Donald Trump’s primary precedence is defending billionaires, defending companies, and elevating premiums, elevating healthcare prices by 75 p.c on Americans.

So, sure, I feel that Democrats ought to say, if you’d like our votes for a funds, it will possibly’t be a corrupt funds. It might probably’t be a funds that’s going to devastate the lives of center class households on this nation in an effort to defend and reward billionaires. That is a fairly affordable request.

MARGARET BRENNAN: You are speaking concerning the premiums that can improve a mean of about $1,000, I imagine, for many who are utilizing a few of these well being care packages via the federal government?

SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: Properly, that is the common. However in Connecticut, some households will see a $25,000 improve in premiums. And once more, in an effort to afford a $270,000 tax lower for the richest households on this nation.

MARGARET BRENNAN: As a result of additionally it wasn’t handled earlier when Democrats have been in management right here.

However you – however you probably did hear the vp say, when it got here to healthcare, “the administration is open to a dialogue. We wish to decrease insurance coverage premiums.” That was a quote there. Did you hear any likelihood of a gap?

SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: I imply, there aren’t any negotiations occurring, largely as a result of the Home of Representatives is not even right here.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.

SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: They have been on an unprecedented five-week recess as a result of they don’t wish to threat their billionaire tax lower. They usually additionally do not wish to discuss concerning the president’s lawlessness. I imply, that is the opposite factor that we now have to speak about on this funds. If we’ll fund this administration, we have to fund an administration that’s listening to a regulation.

I’d be a sucker, Margaret, to vote for a funds that permits the president to then go and spend cash solely in states which might be run by Republicans and spend no cash in states which might be run by Democrats.

MARGARET BRENNAN: However that is simply the seven-week deal that we’re speaking about at this level. The – the short-term funding.

SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: Appropriate. The lengthy – proper, the long-term funds that we cross –

MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.

SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: In the end has to require that the president not interact in mass-scale corruption. However a short-term settlement, you realize, actually shouldn’t be going to repair the entire issues that exist proper now in the way in which the president is operating the nation.

MARGARET BRENNAN: However you will have been important up to now of the tactic of selecting to close down the federal government. You have been in 2018. You have been again in 2013, when it was a dialogue over healthcare. That is what you mentioned in 2018.

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SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: The way forward for the American healthcare system was a reputable public coverage challenge, as is the safety of our borders. However we should not be having the dialogue amidst a authorities shutdown and making an attempt to make use of our nation’s safety and all of those federal staff and the work that they do as hostages.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: Aren’t you doing at the moment precisely what you have been criticizing then?

SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: No. That was a battle over form of the long-term construction of the American healthcare system. That is an emergency. In a couple of month, premiums are going to go up by individuals by 75 p.c. And we now have to decide of whether or not this funds goes to permit for that occur – to occur or to cease it.

What is occurring in Chicago proper now’s an emergency. What is occurring on the FCC as they attempt to shut down free speech on this nation is an emergency. So, we now have a accountability on this upcoming funds to stop catastrophe for households whose premiums are going to – about to go up, and to handle the destruction of our democracy and the rule of regulation that is occurring throughout this nation. These are pressing issues.

MARGARET BRENNAN: However you don’t – you don’t belief that for those who vote to open the federal government after which have a separate dialog about healthcare, that there might be any follow-through?

SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: Completely not.

MARGARET BRENNAN: As a result of that’s what the vp was arguing right here, that it is like, Democrats aren’t even saying what it’s they wish to negotiate over.

SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: No, you – you can’t belief this administration. And I feel it is necessary to do not forget that we did not have a shutdown when Joe Biden was president. And the reason being, as a result of they did not play the form of video games that Republicans are taking part in. Joe Biden and Democrats, once we have been in command of the Senate, negotiated with Republicans and prevented shutdowns. This shutdown is occurring as a result of Republicans are determined to guard their billionaire tax lower. And all we’re asking – we’re not asking to repair the complete American well being care system –

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: We’re simply merely saying, do not make issues worse by elevating premiums by individuals, in some instances by $25,000 a yr.

MARGARET BRENNAN: However the minority chief gave an interview to “Punchbowl” this week. I imply, there may be simply additionally the naked bones politics of this. And in that interview he mentioned, “Each day this goes on, each day will get higher for us.” The speaker of the Home mentioned that was a callous assertion.

SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: Properly, they’re – they’re form of desperately making an attempt to spin what Democrats are saying.

Pay attention, our precedence is the American individuals. And, sure, it’s true, as each day –

MARGARET BRENNAN: However you have been important of Schumer up to now. Again in March, you have been saying, we have got to face up and do one thing. Is that this concerning the tactic of simply saying, hey, we’re standing up?

SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: No. As each day goes on there are extra Republicans which might be breaking with J.D. Vance and President Trump in saying, sure, we ought to be prepared to sit down down and discuss concerning the well being care disaster that’s about to go to this nation. There are extra Republicans which might be breaking with the president’s regime of censorship. So, as each day goes on, there are extra Republicans which might be prepared to face up and defend the American individuals, to attempt to cease the president’s destruction of democracy, and hopefully in some unspecified time in the future there might be sufficient Republicans to hitch us and attempt to defend individuals’s pocketbooks, that are about to be destroyed – their financial livelihoods are about to be destroyed by these monumental improve in well being care prices.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, however, within the meantime, there’s additionally the not – not getting a paycheck downside for a few of these (INAUDIBLE).

SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: The place is the Home of Representatives, Margaret? They’re on trip. The one method you may resolve a shutdown is to have two events which might be in Washington negotiating. That is fairly easy. Republicans are boycotting negotiations. They’re within the witness safety program all around the nation, refusing to even present up for work. In the event that they’re critical about sitting all the way down to reopen the federal government, they might be in Washington, quite than unfold out all around the nation.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Senator Murphy, thanks on your time.

SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: Respect it.

MARGARET BRENNAN: We’ll be proper again.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: And we’re joined now by Connecticut Congressman Jim Himes. He’s the highest Democrat on the Intelligence Committee.

Good to have you ever right here.

You’re the Home lawmaker on the town. However – however I wish to discuss to you about your intelligence portfolio.

“The Monetary Instances” is reporting proper now that the USA helps Ukraine to focus on Russian oil installations. In different phrases, hitting Russia proper in that pocketbook.

What are you able to say in regard to how the Trump administration is altering its coverage? Are they honestly now standing as much as Vladimir Putin?

REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES (D-CT): Sure, probably not, proper? We have heard now for months that we’re two weeks away, I feel that is the president’s terminology he used a number of instances now over many months from actually cracking down on Russia. And, in fact, you realize, there are bipartisan payments within the Congress proper now which might impose very extreme sanctions on the Russians that will do rather a lot to cease the export of their oil, which, in fact, is the gasoline that drives their struggle machine, the {dollars} that drive their struggle machine. These haven’t been moved ahead by the White Home. So, it is laborious to say that President Trump is doing something apart from what he is accomplished eternally when he was president, which is making an attempt to form of have it – have it each methods.

Now, I’ll say, and I can not get into explicit assaults or explicit authorities that the federal government has, however these assaults on the refineries have had the impact of lowering Russia’s means to provide gasoline and different stuff virtually by 20 p.c. That actually, actually hurts the Russians. And I’ll inform you, once more with out being particular, that I want the president could be rather more aggressive with respect to turning off these faucets and with respect to arming the Ukrainians.

However he hasn’t taken any significant step again – steps again from the Biden administration. So, we have at the very least bought that.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So, it isn’t a lot that he is doing extra, it is that maybe he is liberating up extra to be accomplished by the Ukrainian navy, not placing the identical restrictions on them that he had been? Is that honest to say?

REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: Properly, once more, I do not wish to get – do not wish to get particular with respect to authorities.

MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.

REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: However, you realize, his rhetoric has all the time been skeptical of the Ukrainians, and bizarrely pleasant to Vladimir Putin. I am telling you that his actions up to now have been inadequate. By the way in which, simply as Biden’s actions have been inadequate. However they have not been constant together with his very skeptical rhetoric. I have not seen a dramatic change, pull again, if you’ll, from the Biden administration with respect to our help o the Ukrainians.

MARGARET BRENNAN: I ask you as a result of Zelenskyy and Trump spoke twice up to now 48 hours, which is notable.

Venezuela, there are near – the numbers we have seen are like 6,000 or so service individuals within the southern command area of operations. There have been 4 U.S. strikes on vessels. The U.S. says 21 individuals killed. You might have been asking for authorized justification from the administration to clarify their actions. And you probably did it together with the top of International Affairs, Armed Providers, Judiciary, and Homeland Safety. Are you able to, in any method, compel extra data sharing so the U.S. is aware of what’s being accomplished?

REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: Sure, I imply –

MARGARET BRENNAN: (INAUDIBLE) public (ph), I ought to say.

REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: One of many many troubling facets about these deadly assaults within the Caribbean in opposition to supposedly drug dealing boats, now, we do not know that as a result of, not like our counterterrorism packages, the Congress shouldn’t be being instructed who’re on these boats, how they have been recognized, what the intelligence was. Completely completely different factor.

Congress is being instructed nothing on this. And that is OK, apparently, with the Republican majorities within the Home and the Senate. It isn’t OK with me.

I’ll depart just a little little bit of a crack within the door right here as a result of, once more, the White Home has not shared what they imagine their authorized justification is. They did put out a memo. I’ll inform you that primarily based on what I do know now and the studying of that memo, these are unlawful killings. They’re unlawful killings as a result of the notion that the USA – and that is what the administration says is their justification, is concerned in an armed battle with any drug sellers, Venezuelan drug sellers, is ludicrous. It would not arise in a single courtroom of regulation. It is what –

MARGARET BRENNAN: They are saying they’ve designated them as terrorists, due to this fact they will use these (INAUDIBLE).

REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: It does not matter. It does not matter. There’s tons of people that have been designated terrorists. That doesn’t robotically give the authority to take deadly motion.

So, their authorized justifications are laughable. And what – and once more, until they wish to share greater than what they’ve shared with me, these are unlawful killings. And what – what amazes me about that’s that the president, in fact, due to this very compliant Supreme Courtroom, has been given absolute immunity. However what concerning the secretary of protection? What concerning the deputy – what about everyone else in that chain of command, proper on all the way down to the man who’s pulling a set off that leads to the deaths of individuals with out clear, authorized authority, what about them?

Take a look at me on this. It would not shock me if within the subsequent couple of years there are presidential pardons provided to that complete chain of command as a result of it’s not in any respect clear – nicely, it’s getting more and more clear that these are – that these are unlawful killings.

Setting apart the regulation for a second, Margaret.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: You understand, I do not know this as a result of they are not telling Congress something, however the press has all types of rumors that the primary assault was on a ship that had circled and was fleeing. Even when this have been a reputable, navy motion, which it isn’t as a result of the Congress hasn’t accredited it, you realize, firing on a fleeing enemy could be a violation on our legal guidelines of armed battle. My Republican mates are saying, however these are horrible individuals doing horrible issues. OK, I do not disagree with you on that, however are we now within the enterprise of killing people who find themselves doing dangerous issues with out authority?

MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you – are you saying that these weren’t lawful orders?

REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: Once more –

MARGARET BRENNAN: That, in truth, the navy was carrying – as a result of what we continually hear from our navy leaders is, don’t worry, our United States navy goes to be reliant on the Structure and solely perform lawful orders. Are you saying that these members of the navy, who have been the set off pullers, did one thing else?

REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: I’m saying that to all appearances, these are unlawful killings. And you may get a thousand completely different attorneys of each events on this present to inform you that at finest the authorized authorities are questionable.

So, I’m fascinated by why the chain of command is so assured that the deadly actions they’re taking are authorized.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: They do not look that approach to me. And it is a large deal, proper? I imply, I perceive that proper now we’re in a really polarizing surroundings, so it’ll be very laborious for a Republican colleague of mine to make the statements that I’ve simply made.

However the worm (ph) turns, Margaret. You understand, in 1968, we prosecuted – convicted of homicide a lieutenant. Lieutenant Cali (ph), as a result of he and his unit killed most likely lots of of individuals in Meli (ph), in Vietnam, and there have been prosecutions after that. So, I am just a little fascinated about why that chain of command is so comfy endeavor killings simply because the Trump administration says, oh, it is OK. Not an administration that’s recognized for his or her adherence to the regulation or to the Structure.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure. Properly, that could be a big subject, and I wish to proceed protecting that with you. However I must ask you as nicely concerning the shutdown and the associated fee in your house state.

We noticed from simply USAA, which is a lender and a financial institution to many individuals who work for the federal authorities, they mentioned that they’ve had to supply $150 million in no curiosity loans to 4,500 individuals in simply over 48 hours. That is a money crunch for lots of people.

What’s occurring in Connecticut?

REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: So, I imply, I will inform you a Connecticut story. The day after the shutdown went into impact, I went as much as see the Nationwide Guard at Windsor Locks Airport. We have been deploying 500 Connecticut Nationwide Guard members to the Center East. These have been 22, 23-year-olds. None of them are rich. None of them are going to receives a commission on October fifteenth. And I heard the vp in your present say that that is concerning the Democrats. The American individuals perceive that the Republicans management the White Home, they management the Senate, they usually management the Home. So, when the vp of the USA is saying, that is all about Chuck Schumer, who the American individuals rejected within the final election, I feel the American individuals see via that.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, the White Home appears to be making an attempt to take that challenge off the desk. The president posted on social media that they are going to repurpose funds in some way to pay the navy, at the very least for this pay cycle. Is that sustainable? Is that authorized?

REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: Properly, most likely not. Once more, we simply had just a little dialog concerning the White Home’s understanding of United States regulation, which is – which is – which is fairly tentative to say one of the best.

The speaker of the Home, as a result of I feel to pay the navy throughout a shut down, would require laws. The speaker of the Home has taken that off the desk.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Because it has up to now.

REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: So, I imply, is Donald Trump going to say a bunch of stuff? Sure, he’ll say a bunch of stuff. However I do not see something transferring. The Home, as Senator Murphy identified, the Home is, you realize, on trip. So, no, I do not see – assume that that is very possible.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, the speaker says if the federal government wasn’t shut down, the navy could be getting a pay if Democrats voted for the quick time period funding invoice. However nobody’s working proper now, as you simply mentioned.

We’ll must proceed to trace this.

Thanks, Congressman Himes.

REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: Thanks, Margaret.

MARGARET BRENNAN: We’ll be lack in a second.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: That is it for us at the moment. Thanks all for watching. Till subsequent week. For “FACE THE NATION,” I am Margaret Brennan.

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