The next is the total transcript of the interview with Govs. Laura Kelly of Kansas, Andy Beshear of Kentucky, Mike Braun of Indiana and Mike DeWine of Ohio that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on Feb. 22, 2026.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yearly, America’s governors collect right here in Washington, and we’re joined now by Kansas Democrat Laura Kelly, Kentucky Democrat Andy Beshear, Ohio Republican Mike DeWine and Indiana Republican Mike Braun. Thanks all for being right here and having a bipartisan dialog, they’re uncommon as of late, and we take pleasure in them. I- There’s a lot to speak about, however I want to begin on this large choice from the Supreme Courtroom, as a result of it has a huge effect on the economic system, together with in lots of your states. It was a 6-3 ruling from the courtroom that President Trump exceeded his authority when he imposed tariffs on sure objects by utilizing this 1977 regulation. A dozen states and a handful of small companies had sued over these tariffs, which is the way it ended up within the courts within the first place. So let me begin with you, Governor Kelly, what impression will this have in your state? Have you learnt but?
GOVERNOR LAURA KELLY: I do not know the specifics, however I am hopeful, optimistic, that it’ll settle among the points that we have now, notably in our agricultural business. You already know, they have been hit very, very exhausting by these tariffs, and I am hoping that this courtroom choice will reverse a few of these and permit them to get again to enterprise once more.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Governor Beshear, Kentucky bourbon, had been hit exhausting by these retaliatory tariffs. Does this ruling do a lot for that business, or, extra broadly, in your state?
GOVERNOR ANDY BESHEAR: I hope so. Tariffs are a tax on the American folks. We have seen research that present that 90% of those tariffs are being borne by American enterprise. These are all in our states, in addition to our folks. We have seen components of the economic system decelerate due to it. It might add 30% extra value to a significant new building undertaking, which may decelerate new jobs coming to our communities. Bourbon has been hit exhausting, and now that is the second straight time, and that is from a state the place each of our U.S. senators and this governor, regardless of being in several events, are all towards tariffs.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Governor Braun, for you, what are you seeing out in Indiana? As a result of we checked the stats and it regarded like your auto and equipment manufacturing have lagged a bit. The Indiana enterprise evaluation says your farmers had been hit exhausting by retaliatory tariffs. Is that this going to deliver aid?
GOVERNOR MIKE BRAUN: So Indiana’s together with Wisconsin, the 2 greatest states per capita manufacturing, so tariffs would have been a plus because of the industries which were type of hollowed out. You have a look at Gary, Indiana, that was the most important, second largest metropolis in Indiana. Metal goes abroad. I believe the important thing is-is commerce must be honest and free, and from the Marshall Plan by rebuilding the worldwide economic system, we did some issues that obtained that out of stability. I imply, we had been in a trillion greenback, give or take, annual deficit in commerce, $2 trillion on our fiscal account. That turns you right into a debtor nation. So ideally, by reciprocity, you get issues down and even free and honest and get again on an excellent enjoying area over these 40-50, years, it obtained imbalanced, and I believe that is the place Trump was coming from.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However the courtroom stated he over, over reached–
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GOV. BRAUN: Nicely, that is that is a constitutional situation, and–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
GOV. BRAUN: And you are going to need to cope with it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: In your state, although you stated you believed this concept, that it would really assist deliver again a few of these manufacturing jobs. Did you see that it did any of that?
GOV. BRAUN: Sure, it was beginning, I imply, the quantity of funding that is coming again to this nation that whooshed out of it, that created persistent commerce deficits, that must be rectified. And you are able to do that by tariffs. You are able to do it by commerce negotiations, and we had been going the unsuitable means for a very long time.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So that you assume it is a damaging?
GOV. BRAUN: I believe the opposite methods to proceed what’s already occurred, it will be attention-grabbing with the nations they’ve already finished offers with, whether or not they’ll attempt to renege. I obtained a sense plenty of them will keep put with the commerce offers they put in place.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Governor DeWine for you in Ohio, the Cleveland Fed stated the tariffs drove value will increase throughout a number of sectors in your state, together with in manufacturing and together with in retail. Do you imagine their evaluation, or do you imagine the President’s evaluation?
GOVERNOR MIKE DEWINE: To start with, Margaret, I do not assume we all know what is going on to occur–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Now after this ruling?
GOV. DEWINE: You already know, look, the President, I am positive, goes to search for any means he can to mainly return and do-do this-
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MARGARET BRENNAN: He just about stated that, proper, at 10% international tariffs.
GOV. DEWINE: One of many dissents actually stated he had the authority to do it. We’ll need to see. So I do not assume anyone is aware of. It has been combined for us. I believe you understand, for agriculture, notably soybeans, for instance, it was not, it was not useful. However we’re, we’re a producing state. And I believe one of many issues that we realized all of us who had been governors on the time throughout Covid Is that the availability chains, we obtained to make more- We’re not- we’re damaged. We now have to make extra issues again right here in the US, however I believe that is a normal feeling of the, of the general public. So I believe as- as a producing state, you understand, we’re seeing some new funding coming in. It is exhausting to inform typically. Do you attribute it to the truth that they now need to be investing extra and do not wish to have the tariffs or not? However my feeling is that we’re getting loads that is coming in as a result of frankly, due to these tariffs.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However the administration additionally says, although, that these manufacturing jobs are going to get replaced by robots, proper? That we’re going by an enormous technological shift, that we’re transferring ahead in direction of non human manufacturing.
GOV. DEWINE: We have been doing that, We have been doing that for many years–
MARGARET BRENNAN: So how do you clarify that to your state while you go house?
GOV. DEWINE: And for corporations, for corporations to be environment friendly, they’ve to do this. However that does not imply they are not using folks. That does not imply they are not promoting so, you understand, we would like our companies to outlive, and they’ll use the tech, the brand new know-how that is not new, that is been occurring for a very long time.
GOV. BRAUN: And Margaret, actual rapidly. I ran a enterprise for 37 years earlier than I obtained into the Senate, and know-how is one thing we have woven into our personal enterprise, distribution, logistics. It creates jobs in some ways. What AI goes to do, the place you’re taking plenty of the mundane issues that simply take plenty of time, it is exhausting to inform the place it goes, but when it will increase productiveness, it is going to be a blessing. And that is actually the way you deliver costs down in the long term.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Let me rapidly ask you each, because you had been within the room on the White Home when the President was handed this observe that the Supreme Courtroom had simply dominated, did he provide you with any sense of what he will do subsequent? Was it precisely what he stated from the White Home podium, or was it totally different?
GOV. DEWINE: It was very fast, frankly, you understand, he expressed his displeasure. He learn it first to everybody to specific some displeasure–
GOV. BRAUN: Took questions, and left.
GOV. DEWINE: Yeah, and stated, mainly, I’ve to exit and prepare to present a speech. And that is, then he left.
GOV. BESHEAR: Margaret, my hope is that this choice stops the chaos in how these tariffs are being applied. As a result of enterprise wants stability. Commerce wants stability. And if a president can wield this authority that he was making an attempt to, you then see the chaos we have seen, the place we had, first throughout the board, then reciprocal tariffs, then business particular tariffs, then we had tariffs on a- on a rustic for non financial causes. What this could say is the President has to go to Congress. We now have former members of Congress right here and really work it by in a considerate means.
GOV. KELLY: And what I would wish to see is I do assume there are methods that the President can work round this and get the place he needs to go on tariffs. I am hoping, although, that the method can be, what about his tariff coverage earlier than labored, you understand, within the manufacturing area, as an illustration, however the place did it not work? And be very cautious while you’re taking a look at what impression it has on small companies and agriculture. So I hope no matter comes subsequent is extra considerate.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely and- and so they’re not going away, proper? The President did announce on the White Home podium a ten% international tariff above the traditional tariffs, and he is speaking about these short-term authorities. So the story continues to be creating at this level, little question. However is–
GOV. BESHEAR: Is that this a narrative of him doubtlessly defying his personal Supreme Courtroom?
MARGARET BRENNAN: That could be a nice query that I’d like to put to that to the President and maybe some members of his administration. However on this, broadly talking, I do not hear one clear view from you that you’d ask the president to carry off. It seems like, in some methods, you governor, thought perhaps the tariffs are working in sure sectors.
GOV. KELLY: I wasn’t- I wasn’t making an attempt to come back throughout this as a-as a proponent of the tariffs in any respect. No, I, you understand, I used to be in all probability the one Democratic governor who really signed on to the USMCA, the commerce settlement between Canada and Mexico and the US. These are our two greatest buying and selling companions. That was working very well for us.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That was within the first Trump administration.
GOV. KELLY: Precisely. And so, you understand, I would wish to get again to doing enterprise that means. But when you understand, simply given the fact of who’s President proper now and what prone to come, if we won’t return to that precisely, then you understand, then what I stated earlier than about let’s if there have been any good issues that got here out of the method he took to tariffs, let’s deal with that, however let’s not reinsert the entire issues that had been actually horrible.
GOV. DEWINE: Margaret, I believe you are going to see the President stay a troublesome negotiator. He’ll determine a means to do this. You already know, all of us imagine in free commerce, however I believe that we have now not let nations run over us, to some extent prior to now, and I believe the President was right in that regard. Did all of it work out? No. A few of them did. Perhaps a few of them didn’t. However I believe that being powerful a negotiator. I believe the overwhelming majority of the American folks wish to see a troublesome negotiator.
GOV. BESHEAR: However my concern is that these different nations aren’t paying the tariffs. We’re. 90% % of all the prices borne by American households and American companies, at a time when folks battle simply to get by to pay the payments on the finish of the month, that is including $1,000 plus in prices.
GOV. BRAUN: And alternatively, within the large image, you can’t grow to be a debtor nation since you’re nursing a persistent commerce deficit and financial deficit.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Is not that your previous job, although, over in Congress?
GOV. BRAUN: However strive getting 60 senators to comply with something, and we needed to do all that by reconciliation. However the- the place we’re headed as a rustic, and that’s my background, finance, macro economics, we’re on a foul marketing strategy as a result of we’re turning right into a debtor nation in our buying and selling account and in our fiscal account, and that would not promote effectively in Kentucky or Indiana.
GOV. BESHEAR: But when we enable a president to do that, he can tax the American folks on his personal, with out Congress.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We will speak about this because the story develops, however I wish to ask you about one other large situation lots of you might be dealing with, and that’s the right way to cope with immigration and immigration coverage because it impacts your states. Governor Kelly, you are a Democrat, however you probably did signal a invoice to get state regulation enforcement to work with federal authorities relating to immigration enforcement. That is uncommon, as many Democrats or cities and states have what the president refers to as sanctuary metropolis insurance policies, or insurance policies of not essentially being aligned in enforcement on detentions. And one of many complaints is usually that having native authorities concerned is a drain on their assets, or it is a distraction for them. Why is not that the case in your state?
GOV. KELLY: I did not say it wasn’t. We have not–
MARGARET BRENNAN: You assume that cooperation is a drain on locals?
GOV. KELLY: I believe when ICE comes into your state, that it creates some issues and creates some issues in your native regulation enforcement, as a result of it is form of a who’s on first. Who’s in cost right here? And I believe that that is been an issue. My method has at all times been, you understand, once we work with the federal authorities on something, whether or not it is catastrophe aid or with our Nationwide Guard, you understand, we-we search for methods to to cooperate and companion. That is what we wish to see. You already know if they will are available in and attempt to do enforcement- immigration enforcement in our state.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Have you ever had that communication from federal authorities about–?
GOV. KELLY: No, no, we- no, I imply, and we have now had, they’ve began now- we have seen some ICE in a few of our communities, and we’re, you understand, I imply, the entire thought of, you understand, selecting up criminals who’re unlawful, right here illegally is nothing new, that- that occurs on an on a regular basis foundation and has for years. So we haven’t any drawback with that. What we wish is for ICE to then work with our native regulation enforcement, in order that, in the event that they wish to come into Kansas communities, work with us, in order that we are able to go after the- these focused people, not form of what we noticed in Minnesota, the place it is only a free for all.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Governor Beshear, in your state, the Republican legislators wish to go a invoice to drive the state to work with ICE as I perceive it. You are not a fan of this concept. Why?
GOV. BESHEAR: We’ll see what occurs in my state legislature, as a result of on the finish of I believe final week, two of our Republican senators obtained up on the senate flooring and talked about how they thought this immigration enforcement had gone too far. For me, I imagine that border safety is nationwide safety, and we want it to tighten our borders. We additionally need to implement our legal guidelines as a nation, however how we do it exhibits our humanity or our lack thereof. Shackling folks’s legs, placing them in cages that we might not put animals in is unsuitable.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The place have you ever seen that?
GOV. BESHEAR: Nicely, you see it within the footage popping out of the Alligator Alcatraz or different amenities. We examine children getting sick and never getting the well being care they want within the Texas facility. However the ways of ice present that there’s a important coaching drawback, far too aggressive, and there’s now an American physique rely. They imagine they will go into an American citizen’s house with simply an administrative warrant, they can not. So I’ve known as for the retraining of all ICE brokers, and within the meantime, in the event that they assume there is a violent felony in Kentucky illegally, ship us his or her title. We’ll go get him.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You are speaking there about administrative versus judicial warrants and the power to enter. Do you then recognize what’s occurring right here in Washington with Democrats chopping off a few of that brief time period funding for Homeland Safety on that situation, together with others?
GOV. BESHEAR: I do, and I want we did not need to be at this level. However we have now an American physique rely. We now have no less than two ICE brokers which can be being investigated for perjury. We now have others- People which were injured or harm that should not have been. I used to be the highest regulation enforcement official in Kentucky. I’ve by no means seen a regulation enforcement company, state, native or federal act with the identical ways that ICE does. And these are on our streets. These are in our cities.
MARGARET BRENNAN: They’d argue that the quantity of immigration was at such unprecedented ranges that new operational issues needed to be tailored. That is what the administration argues proper? That they need to do the powerful enterprise now. You are not shopping for
GOV. BESHEAR: Watch the movies. This isn’t how regulation enforcement acts. This isn’t respecting our rights as People. It is unsuitable.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Governor DeWine in Ohio, your state has been the main target of the Trump Vance marketing campaign throughout 2024 and of their administration now, notably the Haitians that you’ve got, tens of 1000’s within the state of Ohio. You stated this week, ICE has not been clear on when they will surge to your state. Did you deliver that up while you had been on the White Home?
GOV. DEWINE: I didn’t. I actually did not have that- have the chance to do this. Look, Margaret, my place has been very clear in regard to TPS for Haitians, I believe–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Short-term Protected Standing.
GOV. DEWINE: Sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Which the President is making an attempt to revoke proper now.
GOV. DEWINE: I believe the coverage to revoke that’s unsuitable. I believe there is a consensus on this nation. As all of us have stated, let’s do away with the violent offenders. Get them out of right here. I believe there is a consensus behind the necessity to do a very good job on the border, and I believe the president will get excessive marks for doing that on the- on the border. However when you get past that, I do not assume there is a consensus for taking people who find themselves working, who’re supporting their household, and we have type of seen it, nearly in a micro means, with the Haitian neighborhood that is come into Springfield. Springfield is an industrial metropolis, manufacturing metropolis that was down. It has been coming again. And albeit, one of many causes it is coming again is due to the Haitians who’re working there. These are individuals who, in the event you discuss to the employers, they had been filling jobs that weren’t with the ability to be stuffed in another means. So it has been a giant enhance to the economic system. So if at some point they know that TPS is taken away, no- no employer can rent them anymore. And so that you gotta have all these people who find themselves unemployed. So I believe the coverage there is-is unsuitable. If I may simply say this, I believe that it is a actual alternative for the president in regard to immigration, in all probability after the election- after the election, as a result of nothing’s going to get finished earlier than
MARGARET BRENNAN: Earlier than the midterms of 2026
GOV. DEWINE: That is proper, however I believe there’s a possibility right here. He sealed the border. You already know, I used to be in Congress within the 80s when the Mazzoli invoice, Simpson invoice was passed- excuse me. I have been by all of the arguments. I believe there’s a possibility right here to get reform in authorized immigration and decide who we actually wish to are available in. I will give you- if I may only one instance. We now have our final rely, 22,000 overseas college students within the state of Ohio. We educate them, after which guess what occurs? They return house, or they go someplace else. We have already educated them. They’d be a terrific asset to the state of Ohio. That is the kind of reform–
MARGARET BRENNAN: You are speaking about complete immigration reform and authorized pathways.
GOV. DEWINE: I believe the president has an opportunity to do one thing that no president has finished for 4 a long time. When you- in the event you would take that chance, and I believe after the election, he’ll have an opportunity.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Since you assume there’s going to be a change within the political maintain of one of many chambers of congress? .
GOV. DEWINE: No, no, no- either- no, no, either- nonetheless the election comes out, I simply assume the time is now proper, as a result of we have at all times stated, we won’t do authorized immigration as a result of the unlawful is such a multitude and the border such a multitude, and the president, frankly, has fastened the border. So I believe it is a possibility for all of us to go ahead. I believe it is a possibility for the president to do as form of a Richard Nixon going to China.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I hear you on that, and we would all love to speak about coverage–
GOV. DEWINE: However we’ll see. We’ll see.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However respectfully, the president’s not speaking about any of what you simply laid out, notably when he is speaking about Haitians in Ohio–
GOV. DEWINE: Nicely I am an optimist you understand.
MARGARET BRENNAN: – everybody remembers that marketing campaign with the declare they’re consuming cats and canine. You are speaking about exhausting working people who find themselves legally right here and persevering with to work.
GOV. DEWINE: And my place has been very clear. I am towards them losing–
MARGARET BRENNAN: You might be clear. However are you making that clear to the president’s immigration workforce? Are you coordinating or something? As a result of we hear the complaints that Democrats and Republicans will not be coordinating.
GOV. DEWINE: Margaret, I do not- I do not focus on my contacts with the president or what I inform the president, however I believe it’s- the administration is aware of my place on this. And I believe you understand, in the event that they had been there, they’d see that this has been good for our economic system. It has been good for our neighborhood. We now have people who find themselves fixing up homes, opening up eating places, spending cash and filling jobs that could not be stuffed earlier than. They’re doing- we want them in Ohio. We’re a state that- that so far as our inflow of individuals coming into the state final yr, 70% of these people had been overseas born. They’re giving us vibrancy and serving to us and the truth that they’re working creates different jobs frankly.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Governor Braun, Indiana additionally had exceptionally excessive ranges of immigration lately once we checked the information, in line with the census bureau, almost 10% of your lab- labor drive are immigrants. What are the president’s insurance policies doing? Are you having an identical expertise to, to Governor DeWine?
GOV. BRAUN: So Indiana, among the many pair states, has the bottom unemployment price, and we have got the best financial development price too. That is on account of sure insurance policies. However let’s get again to the border, it was the identical legislative template beneath the prior administration that inspired tens of hundreds of thousands to come back into the nation. So identical to once we had been speaking concerning the commerce points, return to the supply of why it occurred. Right here, it was dangerous coverage calculated, I believe, in a really political means, to perhaps assume it is going to profit you down the street electorally. Put that apart, it is an entire different situation, I believe–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sorry simply to be clear right here, you are not speaking about unlawful individuals who can’t vote.
GOV. BRAUN: No, I am speaking about how the census is decided, who- who- how your congressional districts are put collectively. All I can inform you, it was a multitude in these 4 years, and the identical legislative template was in place through the Biden administration that the Trump administration has used. I believe all people agrees that we have got to have border safety. And what we’re listening to right here is that immigration is certainly necessary, authorized immigration and the nation was constructed upon immigrants. And while you’re in a state like ours, the place you are consistently on the lookout for workforce, must do it. There was even a dialog in an government session on the NGA about governors getting extra concerned in work permits and bringing folks in coordinated, you understand that- I believe that is a good suggestion.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Wait how would that work? What do you imply?
GOV. BRAUN: Nicely, that will imply that governors would have some say so just like the dairy business in our personal state, many different industries want sure workforce that typically is coming legally throughout the border, and lots of now unlawful that aren’t documented. So there’s loads to get fastened, however we obtained to have a look at why the issue we’re coping with now, you understand, occurred within the first place.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However simply to place a button on it, as a result of I do not need us to talk previous one another, what Governor DeWine was speaking about was authorized immigration, and folks with authorized standing, Short-term Protected Standing, not individuals who were–
GOV. BRAUN: No I do know that–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –crossing illegally–
GOV. BRAUN: –And I believe all of us agree on authorized immigration, all I am saying–
MARGARET BRENNAN: however you wish to hold that short-term protected standing?
GOV. BRAUN: If that was one thing that was aimed toward a specific workforce want, sure, it occurred, so I believe you must respect it. However I believe it was all a part of a extremely type of chaotic method that allowed plenty of unlawful immigration to come back throughout. That is what we’re dealing now with ICE enforcement. And I will agree too, that is obtained to be finished in a means that has humanity to it. I believe the explanation Tom Homan went as much as Minnesota is perhaps that was for that motive. However again–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –to deliver humanity?
GOV. BRAUN: To do one thing aside from what we had been seeing, to attempt to put some- one thing collectively that was going to be totally different from what was occurring there. However once more, I believe you bought to respect why did it occur? And this was on account of dangerous insurance policies within the prior administration. That is why we’re coping with all this.
GOV. KELLY: If I may simply soar in right here. You already know, I have been governor now for seven years. I used to be a state senator for 14 years. So we’re wanting over 20 years. Immigration, authorized immigration and workforce have been points without end. These are a long time previous. This did not begin within the Biden administration. And you understand, not solely the Trump administration, and that is simply and- and I am I hope you are proper, Governor DeWine, that when this election is over, that we are able to sit down and have that actually necessary dialog and get one thing finished in order that we do have a typical sense accountable immigration coverage that meets the wants of our companies and our communities.
GOV. BESHEAR: There’s bipartisan settlement on that one.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That cooler heads prevail and coverage making really occurs?
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GOV. BESHEAR: Sure, and we really do the maths and get the regulation proper.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah. Simply wish to transfer us alongside right here, since you touched one thing that I wish to deliver to the desk as effectively, which is simply the surroundings we’re in and the way troublesome it’s to get issues finished. Governor Braun, there have been no less than 12 state senators in Indiana focused with swatting or bomb threats this fall, and that occurred after the president faulted you as effectively by title in a social media put up for not–
GOV. BRAUN:– And I used to be a type of targets as effectively.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You had been, and that is why I wish to deliver it as much as you. You had been being faulted by him for not getting the votes to redistrict your state and carve out a extra favorable voting map for Republicans.
GOV. BRAUN: That is as a result of he did not perceive all I may do is name a particular session. Okay, so be clear on that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That the president did not perceive Indiana regulation?
GOV. BRAUN: Nicely, I- the one factor I as governor may do this was the decision, which I did.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay, I am not faulting you, sir. However the elected officers, although, who do not ship the President what he needs, in danger. I imply, that’s troublesome for you. You are having to elucidate that–
GOV. BRAUN: I believe there is a political consequence to something that you simply do. And on this case, —
MARGARET BRENNAN: — and also you bucked the president–
GOV. BRAUN:– Nicely, on this case, each different state that was requested to do it, did it. That does not imply that the subsequent state has to. However let’s look once more. I at all times like to have a look at the basis of the problem. The foundation of the problem is that Massachusetts, which is a similar measurement state, we’re for 20 years, 60-40 blue, purple. We’re 60-40 the opposite means, has gerrymandered to the place there is not a seat. In New England, the place the place there are much more electoral votes than the 4 or 5 western states that hardly have any congressional districts. They’ve finished it. I believe what he was on the lookout for is an excellent enjoying area, and now it is type of backwards and forwards. I do not know what we will find yourself with.
MARGARET BRENNAN: He was on the lookout for a Republican majority.
GOV. BESHEAR: He stated it out loud.
GOV. BRAUN: As a result of I believe in the event you have a look at it, the opposite facet is gerrymandered extra successfully through the years, and that is what he was after–
MARGARET BRENNAN: And Democrats, little question, are gerrymandering as effectively.
GOV. BESHEAR: I wish to give Donald Trump credit score. He owns his insurance policies, and he simply stated out loud, I need extra Republican seats.
GOV. BRAUN: And that is due to this- finest instance cited. New England. been gerrymandered for years. They have been sooner footed than we have been on that situation.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And California as effectively leaping in on that. However Governor DeWine, we’re speaking concerning the surroundings we’re in proper now. And once I introduced up the Haitians in your state, I imply, you’ve additionally introduced national- that has introduced nationwide consideration to Ohio. The President’s messaging round this. You’ve got had bomb threats you have talked about not too long ago. How do you cope with that, with this degree of rhetoric and managing that?
GOV. DEWINE: Nicely, when that got here up a yr ago–
MARGARET BRENNAN: — However it’s continued.
GOV. DEWINE: I perceive. I imply, you ask, how we cope with it. We cope with it. The faculties– the Superintendent wished to shut the faculties. Felt he wanted the school- shut the faculties. They had been getting bomb threats every single day, and so I known as him up. I stated, what do you want? And we put within the freeway patrol within the colleges, and we stored them in for 3 weeks. Look, you do what you must do. That is what all governors do. You do what you must do. We wish these children in class, and that’s- that is what we did. I imply, the larger query is, how will we tamp down the rhetoric from either side, and the way will we, you understand, get issues finished. And I believe one of many issues popping out of the final three days on the Nationwide Governor Affiliation, every time we get collectively, it is fairly clear we’re all drawback solvers. We cope with issues every single day. We resolve issues or we attempt to resolve issues each single day. And I believe, you understand, to me, that is the place our focus must be. However resolve the totally different issues that we have now.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, and that is what’s attention-grabbing within the dynamics each of you’ve in your states as Democrats, however with states that voted overwhelmingly for Trump and states the place you are dealing throughout the aisle with Republican managed legislatures. How do you govern as a Democrat on this surroundings? And are there classes? I mean- is that too simplistic to say that there are classes on the state degree you may deliver to the nationwide degree?
GOV. KELLY: Nicely, my method has at all times been to go throughout the aisle, kind relationships and get issues finished. I started- the day I walked into the state Senate in 2005, I used to be considered one of eight Democrats and 32 Republicans. It was very clear to me, if I did not make some buddies throughout the aisle, that I used to be by no means going to get something finished. And identical to Governor DeWine stated, we’re drawback solvers. We get into these jobs as a result of we wish to do one thing. And in order that was the method I took then. I believe that’s- that is carried over into my time as governor. The relationships that I fashioned within the legislature has boded effectively for my time as governor. I have been capable of proceed these relationships. And clearly, we do not agree on plenty of issues, however I believe we have now sufficient respect for each other to take a seat down and to hear and to not at all times, however at instances, come to some consensus on laws. You already know, on the instances we do not, I work with the tremendous majority, you understand, and so they can simply override my vetoes.
GOV. BESHEAR: (unintelligible)
GOV. KELLY: However even even there, you understand, due to the relationships I’ve, we have been capable of, if it involves that, you understand, been capable of go down and work with among the Republicans to get them to maybe maintain the vetoes, as a result of it is in one of the best curiosity. And assume most legislators, no matter celebration, actually are focused on doing good issues.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Are you able to deliver this to the nationwide stage? This concept?
GOV. BESHEAR: I believe governors can. I imply, my method is to spend 80% of my time on issues that matter to 100% of the folks of Kentucky or the American folks. These are issues like your job and whether or not you make sufficient to help your loved ones, your subsequent physician’s appointment for your self, your dad and mom or your children, the roads and bridges you drive, the varsity you drop your children off at, or whether or not you’re feeling secure in your neighborhood. These aren’t bipartisan points. They’re non-partisan points. I am working with each of those governors on constructing bridges, precise bridges between our states. You already know, infrastructure, one thing that is good for everybody, that everybody advantages from, and perhaps if all of us spend 80% of our time on issues that matter to 100% of the American folks. We get much more finished.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Governor, thanks for having this dialog at the moment. It is good to have you ever all right here on the similar desk. We’ll be proper again.
