Full transcript of “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” Nov. 2, 2025

On this “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” broadcast, moderated by Margaret Brennan: 

• Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy
• Sen. Mark Warner, Democrat of Virginia
• Rep. Dan Crenshaw, Republican of Texas 
• Massachusetts Gov. Maura Healey, a Democrat 
• USAA CEO Juan Andrade

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MARGARET BRENNAN: I am Margaret Brennan in Washington.

And this week on Face the Nation: Individuals are shedding endurance because the shutdown continues. However are the politicians in Washington listening?

On the verge of incomes the doubtful distinction of being the longest authorities shutdown ever, Individuals are feeling the ache. Advantages of social security internet packages like SNAP and Head Begin are in limbo. Air site visitors controllers at the moment are working with out pay, and staffing shortages are inflicting flight delays affecting thousands and thousands.

Furloughed authorities staff try to determine find out how to make ends meet. The USDA oversees SNAP meals assistant advantages. Company Secretary Rollins put it bluntly simply hours earlier than they had been frozen:

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BROOKE ROLLINS (U.S. Secretary of Agriculture): Your authorities is failing you proper now. In case you are ready the place you may’t feed your loved ones and also you’re counting on that $187 a month for a mean household within the SNAP program, that we have now failed you.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: Not so quick, corrected Speaker Johnson.

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REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON (R-Louisiana): Clarifying, when she says, “We’ve got failed you,” she means we, the Democrats, OK?

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MARGARET BRENNAN: Democrats see it otherwise. Former President Barack Obama weighed in from the marketing campaign path forward of Tuesday’s off-year elections.

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BARACK OBAMA (Former President of the USA): The Republicans, who’re working Congress proper now, they are not even pretending to unravel – attempt to resolve the issue. They don’t seem to be even going to work.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: Our new CBS Information survey reveals that almost three-quarters of Individuals inform us that Congress shouldn’t be working to finish the shutdown, and disapproval for each events in Congress, in addition to President Trump, are all drawing more and more unfavourable marks for his or her dealing with of it because it has gone on.

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WOMAN: They’re combating towards one another, however they are not interested by us civilized Individuals out right here. It is what we’re going by way of and the way we’re struggling.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: We’ll speak to Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy.

Virginia’s residence to tens of hundreds of federal staff. Democratic Senator Mark Warner will be a part of us, as will Texas Republican Congressman Dan Crenshaw and Massachusetts Governor Maura Healey.

It is all simply forward on Face the Nation.

Good morning, and welcome to Face the Nation.

Our CBS Information ballot out this morning reveals that Individuals are more and more involved in regards to the penalties of the federal government shutdown; 86 % now say they’re very or considerably involved in regards to the impression on the financial system, and greater than seven in 10 say they’re at the least considerably involved in regards to the impression on them personally. We’ll get to the shutdown in a second.

However we wish to start with a preview of Norah O’Donnell’s unique interview with President Donald Trump for 60 Minutes taped Friday in Florida. She requested about his assembly final week with the president of China, Xi Jinping.

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NORAH O’DONNELL: One potential flash level with China, most likely the potential flash level with China, within the coming years is over the problem of Taiwan. The Chinese language army is encroaching on Taiwan’s sea lanes, its airspace, its our on-line world.

I do know you’ve got mentioned that Xi Jinping would not dare transfer militarily on Taiwan whilst you’re in workplace, however what if he does? Would you order U.S. forces to defend Taiwan?

DONALD TRUMP (President of the USA): One can find out if it occurs. And he understands the reply to that.

NORAH O’DONNELL: Why not say it?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: This by no means even got here up yesterday as a topic. He by no means introduced it up. Individuals had been a bit shocked at that. He by no means introduced it up, as a result of he understands it, and he understands it very effectively.

NORAH O’DONNELL: Do you thoughts if I ask, while you say he understands, why not talk that publicly to the remainder of us? What does he perceive?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I do not wish to give away – I can not give away my secrets and techniques. I do not wish to be certainly one of these guys that tells you precisely what is going on to occur if one thing occurs.

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PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: The opposite aspect is aware of. However I am not anyone that tells you all the pieces since you’re asking me a query.

However they perceive what is going on to occur. And he has overtly mentioned and his folks have overtly mentioned at conferences, we’d by no means do something whereas President Trump is president, as a result of they know the implications.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: And keep tuned following soccer tonight to see extra of Norah O’Donnell’s 60 Minutes interview. Once more, that is tonight after soccer on CBS.

And we’re joined now by Virginia Democratic Senator Mark Warner.

Good morning. Good to have you ever right here.

SENATOR MARK WARNER (D-Virginia): Good morning, Margaret.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So, on this shutdown, we have now seen the CEO of all the foremost airways come out. The union that represents the air site visitors controllers all assist the Republican place of simply shortly fund the federal government with a short-term clear spending invoice.

The American Federation of Authorities Staff additionally echoing that. AFSA, which represents the diplomats our nation has, are popping out and saying that. They’re saying, in high-threat posts, they do not have armored automobiles as a result of they cannot afford to restore them. Cyberattacks are up. Consular officers are paying out of pocket to go to ailing or incarcerated Individuals.

Treatment shipments aren’t arriving. Payments aren’t being paid. At what level does all of this ache and strain finish the shutdown?

SENATOR MARK WARNER: I hope it ends it this week. Frankly, I see it from my of us. I used to be greeting voters yesterday. We’ve got early – early vote for our gubernatorial election.

However I hear folks additionally very indignant at this president. I imply, we knew this wasn’t going to finish except Donald Trump was again within the nation. He is now again within the nation. He is obtained to go forward and put America first and sit down with us, take care of the well being care scarcity, deal as effectively – and to point out the simply cruelty of this administration, there have been $6 billion put aside for SNAP advantages.

He is had judges say, spend that cash. We’re nonetheless ready to see whether or not the administration needs to attraction that. Get the cash out to folks in want. Sit down with us, get this resolved this week, and let’s get everyone again to work.

MARGARET BRENNAN: If you say it is going to finish this week, does that imply you are going to see extra Democrats cross the aisle and conform to vote for a short-term spending invoice?

SENATOR MARK WARNER: What I feel it means is that…

MARGARET BRENNAN: Three have.

SENATOR MARK WARNER: What we have seen out of your polling, all the pieces else, it is a pox on each your homes.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

SENATOR MARK WARNER: We obtained to place this to mattress.

It’ll require Trump within the room. It is why the bipartisan conversations to this point, I do not suppose we’ll ever get to sure, as a result of, sadly, my Republican colleagues cannot transfer on something with out a Trump sign-off.

Trump has spent sufficient time going on the market now attempting to audition for a Nobel Prize, working around the globe. Come again and put America first. Sit down and let’s get this resolved. It may be performed in an hour, utilizing Donald Trump phrases.

MARGARET BRENNAN: However, to be clear, what’s the Democratic ask at this level to get that? As a result of Chief Thune mentioned, hey, I’ll speak to you about well being care, open the federal government first.

SENATOR MARK WARNER: The Democratic ask is, everybody, as of Saturday noticed well being care charges skyrocket.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.

SENATOR MARK WARNER: That is an instantaneous disaster too.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper. We have blown previous that date of November 1.

SENATOR MARK WARNER: They’ll – we are able to – however we are able to take care of this collectively, however it is going to require the energetic intervention of the president.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Which means it’s worthwhile to see some form of negotiation on an extension to authorities well being care subsidies earlier than voting to reopen the federal government?

SENATOR MARK WARNER: We have to say – hear, President Trump has ended up – and I am a giant supporter of Ukraine – has met extra with Volodymyr Zelenskyy this yr than he is met with any Democrat.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So the ask is the assembly?

SENATOR MARK WARNER: The assembly is, let’s sit down and resolve it. I can not consider Donald Trump, the nice dealmaker of dealmakers, who – at the least how he presents himself – sitting down with us, we could not attain an settlement in an hour.

MARGARET BRENNAN: However, at this level, what I hear you saying is, you aren’t prepared to cross the aisle for an instantaneous short-term funding invoice that’s clear?

SENATOR MARK WARNER: What I…

MARGARET BRENNAN: You continue to want a negotiation over well being care.

SENATOR MARK WARNER: If – the notion of at the least sitting down to speak about well being care, ensuring that $6 billion that’s put aside for SNAP advantages will get paid out…

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

SENATOR MARK WARNER: … so folks do not go hungry, and we get the federal government reopened, once more, the president of the USA has mentioned when he was not president that it is the accountability of a president to finish shutdowns.

He has paid no consideration to the shutdown. He is stopped his many worldwide journeys. Come sit down and let’s get this resolved.

MARGARET BRENNAN: And there is been outreach, or there hasn’t been outreach?

SENATOR MARK WARNER: There’s numerous conversations.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So while you say you are optimistic – or would you say you are optimistic about it taking place this week?

SENATOR MARK WARNER: I feel, as – what your ballot indicated, individuals are a pox on each your homes at this level.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

SENATOR MARK WARNER: Get the darn factor open. Take care of the well being care cliff. Do not let folks go hungry, after we’ve obtained cash put aside on SNAP. That may all be completed. Sooner, the higher.

MARGARET BRENNAN: And we’ll be speaking about these meals stamps later in this system.

I wish to ask you about your nationwide safety portfolio. Simply in a single day, there was one other U.S. strike on an alleged drug boat. I do know you’ve got been involved that Democrats are being excluded, significantly from a key assembly that occurred this previous week, with solely Republicans within the room.

Secretary Hegseth was requested shortly after your press convention by our Ellee Watson of CBS about his plans to share proof with Congress. Take a hear.

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PETE HEGSETH (U.S. Protection Secretary): Oh, we’re presenting it to Congress. We’ve got time and time once more. On a bipartisan foundation, they’ve been given the proof straight.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: He says it has been given. So is your criticism that the proof shouldn’t be adequate, otherwise you disagree with the…

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SENATOR MARK WARNER: The secretary of protection would not inform the reality on this matter. We requested for the authorized opinion again in July, when it was first written. We had been promised it again and again.

The secretary of state, my former colleague and good friend Marco Rubio, regarded me within the eye 9 days in the past and mentioned: “Mark, you are going to get it straight away.”

We nonetheless did not get the authorized opinion. After which a gaggle of random Republican senators was shared on a partisan foundation, what’s the president’s understanding of why these – why it is authorized to take these actions? That – you understand, Margaret, that isn’t the way in which the system is meant to work.

If you additional partisan nationwide safety, after we’re placing troops in hurt’s approach – I obtained an plane provider from Norfolk that is within the Caribbean proper now. How do I reply the households of these sailors about whether or not this operation is even authorized?

This doc must be shared with each member of the Senate this week, in order that, as we get into this dialogue about battle powers, we have got the premise of how the administration is claiming that it is authorized.

MARGARET BRENNAN: You recognize the administration says this is not about battle powers, that the president has authorities beneath Title 2.

However let me learn to you – as a result of the White Home knew you had been approaching, they reached out to us yesterday to say they’ve supplied six bipartisan briefings to members or workers, together with your workers, plus the Gang of Eight. A senior administration official additionally mentioned, categorised paperwork had been made out there.

SENATOR MARK WARNER: There have been no categorised paperwork made out there to the Gang of Eight members till after a partisan briefing was made to Republicans solely. That isn’t the way in which our system is meant to work.

If you wish to put Individuals in hurt’s approach, it must be performed on a bipartisan foundation. My Republican colleagues, lots of them afterwards, mentioned, oh, sure, that was not likely good.

Nicely, I want they might have gotten up and walked out of the rattling room, as a result of everybody is aware of partisanship shouldn’t be concerned in these nationwide safety issues, significantly after we’re placing our troopers and sailors in hurt’s approach.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So it wasn’t simply you. The Senate Armed Companies Committee chairman, Roger Wicker, a Republican and his Democratic colleague, Jack Reed, mentioned they’ve twice written to Secretary Hegseth asking for execute orders particularly, authorized justifications, and the record of terror organizations tied to those strikes.

They do not have that data, they usually have oversight of the army.

SENATOR MARK WARNER: I relaxation my case.

That is what we’re all saying.

MARGARET BRENNAN: What…

SENATOR MARK WARNER: Come clear. And the actual fact is, if, because the administration says, these are all dangerous guys, and…

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

SENATOR MARK WARNER: … and we – there are all medicine on these boats, interdict these boats and present the world.

Pay attention, the Maduro authorities in Venezuela – and, by the way in which, none of – none of this authorized opinion has something to do with the Venezuelan authorities. Maduro is a foul man. We should always have pushed tougher on him when the folks of Venezuela voted him out beneath President Biden. Biden did not do sufficient.

The medicine are all cocaine. It has nothing to do with fentanyl. If you’re going to attempt to make a case to the American public, make it publicly.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

SENATOR MARK WARNER: Do not do that after which attempt to cover the authorized justification and provides it out solely on a partisan foundation.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Does your Republican colleague, the chair of the Intelligence Committee, Tom Cotton, hear you on this? Is he working with you on this?

SENATOR MARK WARNER: To his credit score, he didn’t attend this Republican-only briefing that befell earlier this week.

MARGARET BRENNAN: And neither did Roger Wicker, Armed Companies.

SENATOR MARK WARNER: Proper. The notion right here is…

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MARGARET BRENNAN: So – so, the White Home and the Republicans are in disagreement on this?

SENATOR MARK WARNER: Nicely, there’s not an absence of disagreement from members of the Senate that we have been asking for this authorized justification for months.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

SENATOR MARK WARNER: And they’re now hiding the ball and solely giving it out on a partisan foundation.

MARGARET BRENNAN: All proper, Senator Warner, thanks in your time immediately.

SENATOR MARK WARNER: Thanks, Margaret.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Face the Nation will likely be again in a single minute. Stick with us.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: We go now to the secretary of transportation, Sean Duffy, who joins us this morning from Far Hills, New Jersey.

Welcome to Face the Nation.

SEAN DUFFY (U.S. Transportation Secretary): Hey. Thanks, Margaret. Good to be with you.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So our CBS polling reveals that there’s actual concern amongst Individuals concerning the impact of the shutdown on all transportation. Ought to Individuals even have security issues at this level?

SECRETARY SEAN DUFFY: Pay attention, I feel that is an incredible query. We work time beyond regulation to verify the system is protected. And we’ll sluggish site visitors down. You may see delays. We’ll have flights canceled to verify the system is protected.

However we have now to be trustworthy. When we have now controllers, the place we have now shortages and towers and TRACONs doing two jobs, does it add extra threat into the system? Positive, it does. However, once more, we’re at all times managing that. Once more, we do not – we do not need crashes. We would like folks to go safely.

And so we’ll sluggish and cease site visitors if we do not suppose we are able to handle it in a approach that retains folks protected as they go from level A to level B.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, I did see that the FAA mentioned, up in New York, 80 % of air site visitors controllers had been absent from New York space airports. And, that very same day, there was a close to miss at La Guardia Airport. One United airplane clipped one other one.

Was that pilot error or was that linked to some sort of scarcity?

SECRETARY SEAN DUFFY: Nicely, you talked about the shortages of air site visitors controllers within the New York airspace. We had a pair days in the past three-hour delays all through New York.

And, once more, I have never obtained the readout but on whether or not that was pilot error. And, normally, when these planes are – are touring very shut to one another, it is their job to avoid each other. That is not controllers. It is normally pilot error. However, once more, I’ll – I must look and see what directive was given by the air site visitors controllers.

But it surely’s usually the pilot’s accountability to avoid plane on the tarmac.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So if this shutdown continues, how – I – when does it change into an emergency by way of passenger security and the security of those that try to, for instance, get residence for Thanksgiving in a couple of weeks?

SECRETARY SEAN DUFFY: Nicely, does it change into a flight emergency, a security problem? No. We’ll cease site visitors. So we’re not going to let that occur.

I feel the actual consequence is, what sort of rolling delays do you’ve got all through the system, proper? We have seen issues at L.A., in Dallas, in D.C., Boston, Atlanta. And so I feel it is solely going to worsen. We’ve got controllers who a few of them are new controllers. We’ve got trainee controllers who’re very useful within the tower. They do not make some huge cash.

And so they’re now confronted. They have not had a paycheck for over a month. They’re confronted with a call. Do I put meals on my youngsters’ desk, do I put fuel within the automobile, do I pay my lease, or do I am going to work and never receives a commission?

And so they’re making choices. I’ve inspired all of them to come back to work. I need them to come back to work. However they’re making life choices that they should not must make. Let’s open the federal government up. Let’s pay these folks, these younger controllers.

Margaret, it is actually vital. And I feel you’ve got coated this. We do not have one of the best gear in our towers and facilities for air site visitors management. However we have now the most secure airspace, we have now essentially the most environment friendly airspace as a result of we have now one of the best controllers on the earth that work our skies and maintain our folks protected. They deserve a paycheck.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, on condition that they’re so important, is there any approach the administration can discover a pot of cash, like appears to be getting discovered for others just like the army…

SECRETARY SEAN DUFFY: Sure.

MARGARET BRENNAN: … to pay controllers to allow them to present as much as work? Why is not the administration in a position to do this?

SECRETARY SEAN DUFFY: Sure. Nicely, I feel that is an incredible query.

So we have now performed all we are able to. President Trump has performed all he can to reduce the ache of the shutdown on the American folks. Once more, you bear in mind, beneath Barack Obama’s shutdown, he was attempting to gate off open-air monuments in Washington, D.C., and was shutting down parks, simply strolling paths.

President Trump has tried to make it much less painful on the American folks. So we’re searching for pots of cash to pay important staff, however there’s actually strict guidelines round what cash we are able to use and the way we are able to use it, and we have now to comply with the regulation.

And so we had been in a position to fund important air service, service to extra rural communities. We have stored our academy up and working so far. We do not have a ton of time, a pair extra weeks of that funding. However I haven’t got the assets to do this.

And the easy reply is, vote to open the federal government, negotiate your variations. That is nice. That is honest. However, once more, these folks needs to be paid. And to say that it is Donald Trump’s fault, to say he has to search out cash, when Democrats have mentioned there is no cash for you as a result of we have shut the federal government down, I imply, that is a contorted evaluation.

And Democrats try to do this, and I do not suppose it actually works. Give the cash and we’ll pay the controllers.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure, effectively, I noticed experiences that air site visitors controllers solely obtained partial pay mid-October, and this previous week they missed a paycheck altogether.

So, virtually talking, for many who are in these jobs, would you advise them to select up part-time work elsewhere?

SECRETARY SEAN DUFFY: No, I am – I am clearly asking them, I – come to work. It’s your job to come back to work, and ultimately you can be paid.

However as I’ve traveled across the nation and talked to air site visitors controllers, they’ve informed me that lots of them can navigate lacking one paycheck. None of them can handle lacking two paychecks. And so they’re like each American household.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

SECRETARY SEAN DUFFY: Everybody watching your present immediately, as they give thought to their very own funds, what number of paychecks can they miss earlier than it turns into actual stress, actual strife of their life?

And they also’re – on the – subsequent week, they will have – they will get a discover of what their subsequent paycheck goes to be. And if the federal government would not open, the discover will likely be one other large fats zero, and you are going to see extra of them most likely make the selections of funding their households, placing meals on their desk, fuel of their vehicles, versus coming into work.

That is not what I need, however I am a realist as effectively, Margaret. These are the selections of life and survival that these controllers must make. By the way in which, it is the technicians additionally. We’ve got outdated gear. We’ve got technicians that work within the towers that maintain the gear operational.

They don’t seem to be getting paid. I’ve practice inspectors who’re working to maintain our trains working, and working safely. They’re working with out pay. I’ve pipeline inspectors, identical factor. Throughout the system, we have now a lot of people who find themselves working with out pay. We speak in regards to the air site visitors controllers.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

SECRETARY SEAN DUFFY: However I’ve hundreds of workers who’re displaying up, doing the work and attempting to maintain this technique protected for the American folks. All of the whereas, they do not get paid to do it.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Understood.

So that you mentioned again on Fox Enterprise on October 9 that “I can not have folks not displaying up for work” and that they might be let go. There is a scarcity of 4,000 controllers already. You are not firing folks, are you? You possibly can’t afford to.

SECRETARY SEAN DUFFY: No, so, when – we’re 2,000 to three,000 controllers brief, however that is an enormous quantity. And also you make an attention-grabbing level, as a result of I’ve tried to surge air site visitors controllers into the system by way of our academy.

Margaret, we’re up 20 % of controllers by way of the academy this yr alone. It takes them a few yr to 2 to get licensed in a tower, however this shutdown is impacting my pipeline of controllers.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

SECRETARY SEAN DUFFY: And in order – when everybody forgets about air site visitors management and the shutdown, I’ll take care of the implications of, once more, delivering for the American folks and getting extra controllers within the towers, not much less.

And also you deliver up an excellent level. We’re already careworn, in that we do not have sufficient controllers in our system. And this shutdown, when we have now staffing triggers the place they are not coming in as a result of they’re funding their households and meals on their tables, that makes it harder as a result of we’re already brief lengthy. Lengthy-term penalties…

MARGARET BRENNAN: So you are not going to fireside them?

SECRETARY SEAN DUFFY: I do not plan on firing management – no, hear, I’ve – no, I – once more, after they’re making choices to feed their households, I am not going to fireside air site visitors controllers. I’ve – I’ve cherished them and supported them as they’re attempting to undergo this course of and it is difficult for them.

They want assist. They want cash. They want a paycheck. They do not must be fired.

MARGARET BRENNAN: All proper, Secretary Duffy, thanks in your time this morning.

We’ll be proper again.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: For extra from our newest CBS Information ballot, we flip to our govt director of elections and surveys, Anthony Salvanto.

So, Anthony, how are folks feeling in regards to the financial system?

ANTHONY SALVANTO: I’ll begin with costs, as a result of that is the place folks inform us they begin.

They see costs as nonetheless excessive. They count on costs to maintain going up. In some respects, that is not new. That is been the case for years, however that is slightly the purpose. Issues have not modified. So the scores are nonetheless very low for the financial system.

On one other entrance, the inventory market’s going up. There’s been an A.I. increase serving to gas that, however folks have very blended views of the U.S. job market. And a part of that’s, they suppose A.I. could come alongside and take their jobs, they inform us, proper?

Now, here is how that each one performs politically, Margaret. And that’s, on scores for dealing with the financial system, dealing with inflation, the president’s scores have been ticking down by way of the course of his time period and proceed to take action. That is a giant cause that he received a yr in the past. That is one of many issues they – folks inform us.

MARGARET BRENNAN: The financial system.

ANTHONY SALVANTO: On the financial system. Individuals inform us immediately they nonetheless fee him on that and on dealing with immigration, the place he does comparatively a bit bit higher, particularly with the bottom.

However what I did was, I requested folks, OK, in comparison with a yr in the past, do you suppose the president is attempting to maintain his marketing campaign guarantees? And most of the people say sure. There is a however there. And there is a substantial quantity who say, however his strategy is not what they anticipated. And so they’re extra blended on that.

In order that they see, and a few give credit score for attempting. However for issues like tariffs because it regards to the financial system, the strategy is way more blended. And that underlines all these scores for him.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So we have now an election in some states Tuesday. What ought to we be waiting for?

ANTHONY SALVANTO: Nicely, he will definitely be an element. I feel the query for Democrats as you watch these races is, can they only run towards him?

So what I did was, I requested them – requested of us to match nationally Donald Trump’s strategy and what they understand because the Democrats’ strategy. And Donald Trump nonetheless leads the Democrats on these measures for the financial system and on immigration.

And what that tells you is, it could be, as you watch these races, Democrats cannot simply run towards Donald Trump. They’ve to have concepts of their very own. We’ll see these races as form of testing labs for what the events could do forward of 2026.

MARGARET BRENNAN: We will likely be watching that intently.

Anthony Salvanto, busy week for you.

ANTHONY SALVANTO: Certainly.

MARGARET BRENNAN: We will likely be proper again.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: We will likely be proper again with much more Face the Nation, Congressman Dan Crenshaw and Governor Maura Healey of Massachusetts arising.

Stick with us.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome again to “FACE THE NATION.” We flip now to Texas Republican Congressman Dan Crenshaw, who joins us this morning from Humble, Texas.

Welcome to “FACE THE NATION.”

REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW (R-TX): Thanks for having me.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Congressman, I do know you’ve got been out and in of Washington. However largely, the Home members haven’t been right here on the town. The Home hasn’t voted since September nineteenth. Will probably be the seventh consecutive week now that they have been working from residence. Would you urge Speaker Johnson to deliver everybody again to attempt to break the deadlock over authorities funding?

REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: It is as much as the speaker. Home Republicans and Home Democrats coming again to Washington is not going to break the deadlock. Let’s not overlook that the Home handed a clear CR. And it was a short lived CR, OK.

And, you understand, Democrats maintain saying, you understand, the Republicans haven’t any intent to barter. We won’t belief them to wish to negotiate if we reopen the federal government. That is nonsense. If we – look, if we had handed a year- lengthy CR, I feel they might make that argument. That is normally an indicator that we actually do not wish to speak in regards to the funds proper now. We wish to – we wish to kick the can down the highway for a yr.

However while you move a really short-term length CR, a seven-week one –

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: It’s a clear indication that we intend on persevering with these conversations.

So, look, there’s different issues we may do. The explanation I maintain going again is as a result of I work on the Intelligence Committee and I’ve to do this work from inside D.C. There’s a lot of causes folks return.

However, look, in the long run, the Senate has to take care of this.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: And Senate Democrats simply must reopen the federal government. It is that straightforward. They voted – I do not know, what’s it, 15 instances now to maintain it closed?

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: They would not even vote to maintain federal staff paid. I – that was a loopy lifeline that – that Senator Thune gave them, permitting them to vote – nearly having the simple approach out, permit them to at the least vote to take the ache off of federal staff, they usually voted that down, too. I actually do not know what their technique is at this level. They’re those who have to determine this out.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So – so that you heard – maybe you heard Senator Warner on the high of this system say, you understand, conversations are taking place this week. He hoped that there can be some – some finish.

On – in your aspect of the – of the Capitol, you are saying you do not see indicators of this ending this week?

REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: Do not see what? Sorry? Sure, I do not – I do not – I do not see us going again into session. I feel we’d have been notified by now.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: However, once more, the deadlock shouldn’t be within the Home. You recognize, we handed it out of the Home. I understand that – that it was – there was a Democrat (ph) vote there.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Understood. However to come back to an settlement, which is what he was – the senator was speaking about everybody getting collectively and going to the White Home with the president to – to hammer this out, the speaker at the least. It would not sound like you’ve got that stage of optimism.

However let – let’s speak in regards to the impression the place you might be. Your district consists of components of Houston. We checked the numbers and it seems 350,000 Houston space households could have some issue with their meals stamps, these SNAP advantages, due to the standoff. Have you ever gotten any steerage from the state or from the administration about whether or not folks get meals funds this week?

REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: Nicely, from what I can inform from the administration’s statements, I imply, they will attempt to use the emergency contingency fund for – on a short lived foundation.

However look, your entire – I feel there’s about $6 billion within the fund.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: Month-to-month SNAP advantages price Individuals $9 billion. So, that is – that may be a very, very small band-aid. And the one approach you are going to get SNAP advantages again on observe is that if Democrats vote for our clear CR.

I go to a meals financial institution not too long ago. Sure, they’re – they’re getting ready for an enormous inflow in demand.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: You recognize, the state may solely accomplish that a lot on this. Each – we – we – all of us can solely accomplish that a lot. There’s – there is a actually easy resolution to this, which is, simply maintain the federal government open. And, you understand, you wish to negotiate this very complicated well being care problem, which is what Democrats say they need. I feel they’ve sort of selected it out of randomly and unexpectedly determined to throw this mood tantrum.

However, nice, let’s negotiate it. However you need to do it with the federal government open and never maintain – you are not holding a gun to our heads. You are holding a gun to the common American folks’s heads.

MARGARET BRENNAN: You might be on the Intelligence Committee. You talked about you had – have needed to come again right here to view what I assume is assessed intelligence. The president confirmed a couple of weeks again that he had licensed some CIA exercise in Venezuela. He did not give element on that. However have you ever seen any proof that the U.S. strain marketing campaign on Nicolas Maduro is working? That every one this army {hardware} that is being moved round into the area is doing one thing?

REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: I can – I can solely inform you what I can assume. Look, having been out of session, we do not get the briefings as a result of – as a result of we aren’t there. One of many causes I maintain going again is to look into this stuff.

The broader query, that is extra of a geopolitical query, is the strain marketing campaign working? Look, deterrence nearly at all times works, particularly while you’re coping with – with, you understand, dictators like Maduro. They solely hear to 1 factor, which is energy.

And – and Venezuela has been largely left alone by American administrations. The western hemisphere has been left alone.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: And I feel this president’s taking it way more severely. Look, the Venezuelan authorities is a – it is – it is – it is a faux authorities, proper? He ran a rigged election. Everybody is aware of that. It is propped up by the Cubans and by the Russians.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.

REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: They’ve been in collusion with terrorist teams, just like the FARC, for years. It has been an annoyance to international locations like Colombia for years. There’s many high-ranking officers in authorities – in Venezuelan authorities which might be actually beneath indictment for drug trafficking. It’s successfully a narco terrorist state supporting narco terrorists.

MARGARET BRENNAN: However Maduro continues to be in energy. Sure.

REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: Maduro, what? I am sorry?

MARGARET BRENNAN: However he nonetheless is in – in energy. That is what – we had been simply speaking about that with Senator Warner, the necessity for extra data to go to lawmakers about precisely what the extent goes to be of U.S. army involvement. Would you assist U.S. land strikes of Venezuela?

REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: Really, boots on the bottom in Venezuela?

MARGARET BRENNAN: Land strikes.

REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: Sure, I imply I feel we must have an extended dialog about doing one thing to that extent.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: However I feel what the – what the president is doing proper now may be very a lot inside rational authorized means, drug boats that we have now – that – and other people ask, although, do we have now the intelligence to actually know what these drug boats are and who’s on them? Sure, we do. That I can say. Proper. We’ve got – we have now multisource intelligence that we – so, we all know for certain what we’re – what we’re truly capturing at. And we do not even shoot in any respect the targets.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: And other people say, effectively, why cannot you simply interdict all of it? And I say, effectively, how – what number of boats do you suppose we have now? What number of boats and helicopters do you suppose we have now?

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: And have you learnt how dangerous an interdiction operation is? You are going to folks – put folks’s lives at stake.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.

REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: And, you understand, we have been doing that for years and it hasn’t labored.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper/

REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: So, you do have to attempt one thing new, as a result of it’s an imminent hurt to the USA. And that is clearly throughout the president’s authority beneath Article Two.

So, I do not ring my fingers over what’s gong on proper now.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: We’re speaking hypotheticals about invading Venezuela, I imply, that is not likely what we’re speaking about proper now.

MARGARET BRENNAN: No. No, no, I used to be asking about land strikes. However – however let me ask you about one thing a few of your fellow conservatives have been speaking quite a bit about, together with Mitch McConnell. He is been involved about anti-Semitism on the proper.

Senator Ted Cruz of Texas mentioned he is seen extra anti-Semitism up to now six months than in his whole life.

Take a hear.

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SENATOR TED CRUZ (R-TX): This can be a poison, and I consider we face an existential disaster in our get together and in our nation.

When you sit there with somebody who says, Adolf Hitler was very, very cool, and that their mission is to fight and defeat international Jewary (ph), and also you say nothing, then you’re a coward and you might be complicit into that evil.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: He was particularly referring there to a extensively watched interview Tucker Carlson did with far-right commentator and Holocaust denier Nick Fuentes.

Do you share Senator Cruz’s concern about your get together?

REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: Oh, sure. I might say Mr. Cruz put it fairly effectively.

I’ve had a long-standing feud with Tucker Carlson. I am glad everybody can also be waking up now to how dangerous of an individual he’s. He is modified quite a bit over the past 20 years. You recognize, onerous to say why. But it surely would not actually matter why. I imply you’ve got a man like Fuentes in your present. You are – you are uplifting what’s – a man who has actually fallen off the radar, you understand?

He – he used to ship his followers to my occasions and attempt to ask me a bunch of questions in regards to the Jews and Israel assist and all that and attempt to disrupt occasions and they’d attempt to infiltrate the MAGA motion. You recognize, they had been actually on a – on a downhill slide. And for Tucker to have him on, you understand, Senator Cruz is strictly proper. And this concept that we have now to, you understand, that it is cancel tradition if we – if we – if we – if we maintain Tucker out of our circles to any extent further is simply nonsense. It is a – I actually wrote a guide on cancel tradition. So, you understand, I’ve thought deeply about this.

Cancel tradition means you are – you are canceling somebody for what’s mainly a mainstream perception, or possibly a – possibly small – like trustworthy mistake they made. That might be possibly thought of cancel tradition. It isn’t cancel tradition while you say, look, I wish to disassociate myself from you as a result of your believes are loopy and also you’re psychopathic.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: And also you’re – and you might be falling aside in entrance of everybody.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: You recognize, disassociation shouldn’t be canceling anybody. And I do know some have steered it’s. So, and I feel – I – ethical readability is much more vital in in case.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

Congressman Crenshaw, we have now to go away it there. Thanks in your time this morning.

We’ll be proper again.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: We go now to Massachusetts Democratic Governor Maura Healey, who joins us this morning from Boston.

Governor, welcome to “FACE THE NATION.”

GOVERNOR MAURA HEALEY (D-MA): Good morning.

MARGARET BRENNAN: A household of 4 receiving meals stamps makes $31,000 or much less per yr. That program offers lower than $200 a month to 1 in eight Individuals. That is 42 million folks. I do know you joined this lawsuit to attempt to sue the administration to get them to make use of emergency funding to pay for meals stamps throughout the federal government shutdown. Given what occurred with the courts Friday, will meals stamp funds be going out this week? It is your state that has to manage this system, proper?

GOVERNOR MAURA HEALEY: Sure. I do not know, Margaret, as a result of the president hasn’t mentioned whether or not he will approve the discharge of these contingency funds. I imply, the impression of that is simply devastating. One in eight Individuals, you say. I’ve about one in seven Massachusetts residents who’re on SNAP. I used to be at meals pantries yesterday. I imply folks throughout our state don’t wish to see folks go hungry. However folks awoke on Saturday morning not getting access to their advantages.

The explanation we sued, Margaret, 28 states, and I am glad and grateful to the A.G.s for getting the favorable ruling. It mainly tells the president, do what you are imagined to do, which is, use the contingency funds which were put aside for precisely this function. When there’s a shutdown, amongst different issues, launch these funds, proceed the SNAP funds to our states.

I strongly urge that. I hope it occurs instantly on Monday. Individuals on this nation shouldn’t go hungry. And I feel Individuals do not wish to see their brothers and sisters go hungry.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, that federal decide in Rhode Island ordered full funds by Monday or partial SNAP funds by Wednesday. On one other community the Treasury secretary was requested if – if the administration would just do that, and he mentioned, “may very well be.”

Virtually talking, how do you – how shortly are you able to flip it on? I imply if that comes by way of Wednesday, do folks in Massachusetts get to eat on Thursday?

GOVERNOR MAURA HEALEY: No. I imply the issue, Margaret, with what the president has performed is that he reduce this off. And it takes a couple of days to load up these playing cards. I imply anyplace between two and 5 days.

I’ll inform you what I’m doing as governor, as a result of I’ve obtained to guard my residents. I’ve set to work with others to guarantee that they’re fed. We have superior funding to our meals pantries. We stood up a United Method fund and already, you understand, 3 million, I feel, in contributions have come by way of this week. We’ve got seen an unbelievable outpouring of volunteers. I used to be at meals pantries yesterday and the turnout is one thing.

And, you understand, however – however this isn’t sustainable, proper? I imply we can’t proceed alongside this path, which is why he must launch these funds as at the least one courtroom informed him to do proper now, as quickly as attainable, as a result of it takes us time to load up these playing cards.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So, here is how President Trump described the shutdown impression Friday. Take a hear.

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PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: All they must do is say, the federal government is open, and that is the tip of it. And, you understand, largely, while you discuss SNAP, you are speaking about largely Democrats. However I am president. I wish to assist everyone. I wish to assist Democrats and Republicans. However while you’re speaking about SNAP, in case you look, it is largely Democrats. They’re hurting their very own folks.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: Does not he have some extent that your get together is answerable for a few of this ache?

GOVERNOR MAURA HEALEY: Sure, completely not. And, frankly, that is a very insulting remark.

You recognize, Margaret, I’ve obtained 21,000 veterans, women and men who’ve served our nation, who’re SNAP beneficiaries in Massachusetts, who had their advantages turned off, who face starvation proper now. To be clear, you wish to know who SNAP beneficiaries are within the nation? They’re our seniors, they’re youngsters, they usually’re folks with disabilities. They reside in each state, and each metropolis and city across the nation. And for the president to even recommend one thing like that or say one thing like that’s insulting.

And that is the half – that is the issue with D.C. You confirmed the ballot, proper? I imply, on the finish of the day, the president and Republicans management the Home, the Senate and the White Home. And, you understand, Mike Johnson hasn’t had these guys again in session I feel however for 12 out of 100 of the final days.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

GOVERNOR MAURA HEALEY: So, get again to Washington. Get again to the desk. Kind this out. Individuals wish to see that individuals are fed. They wish to guarantee that they’ve entry to childcare, as a result of well being – Headstart’s getting turned off, too. And so they do not wish to see their well being premiums go up.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

GOVERNOR MAURA HEALEY: I imply that is what’s taking place proper now. And the impression is being felt in all places.

MARGARET BRENNAN: We checked and the highest 5 states are districts with the very best proportion of residents who use meals stamps are in New Mexico, D.C., Louisiana, Oregon, and Oklahoma. Two of these states are ruby pink and voted for President Trump in final election. I feel that is what you are pointing to by way of insult.

However on the substance of why we’re on this shutdown, Democrats have refused to signal on to a clear authorities funding invoice. On that time, do not Democrats bear some tasks?

GOVERNOR MAURA HEALEY: What Democrats in Congress did is stand with a whole lot of hundreds, thousands and thousands of Individuals proper now who’re seeing their premiums go up. I’ve obtained folks in Massachusetts who simply obtained notices due to the expiration of those subsidies. They will see their premiums rise as a lot as $20,000. American households cannot afford that, you understand?

And I am targeted on financial hardship and what I can do to guard my folks. And I feel most of us are in our states as governors. Which is why the oldsters in D.C. have to get again to work. Mike Johnson must name his members again as a result of, how are you going to get a negotiation in case you’re not even in D.C., proper? You bought to get again to D.C. The president has obtained to provide a transparent directive to Republicans that they should reopen authorities as a result of Individuals are struggling and proceed to undergo each single day.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Governor Healey, thanks in your time this morning.

We’ll be again in a second.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: We’re joined now by Juan Andrade, CEO of economic companies firm USAA. A lot of its practically 14 million clients are within the army or veterans. And he joins us from San Antonio.

Sir, Secretary Bessent mentioned on this program simply final Sunday that by November fifteenth the troops and repair members aren’t going to be paid. What stage of tension are you seeing amongst your clients?

JUAN ANDRADE (President and CEO, USAA): Margaret, thanks for having me in your present.

What we’re seeing immediately is uncertainty, nervousness, and, for some, actual hardship. And that is actually throughout the – the energetic responsibility group. It is also vital to notice that 30 % of federal workers are additionally veterans or army spouses. So, that is greater than an impression to a Family funds. This will actually undermine morale and focus. And our purpose is to supply stability for people who find themselves residing paycheck to paycheck and who’re, frankly, shedding floor.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, I’ve seen that you simply’re providing curiosity free loans to buyer. Is that everybody or simply particularly energetic responsibility army? And if they cannot qualify for a mortgage, what do they do?

JUAN ANDRADE: So, we’re providing our authorities shutdown program to all eligible members of USAA. So, as you mentioned, that is presently about 14.5 million folks. And at that time we have acted swiftly and decisively. Within the first 48 hours of the shutdown, we funded $150 million in zero curiosity loans. We at the moment are as much as $400 million to this point. However that is additionally along with fee extensions that we have performed on bank cards, auto loans, mortgages. We have additionally waived charges for overdraft. And we have additionally had versatile insurance coverage preparations throughout our property casualty, life, and medical health insurance companies.

MARGARET BRENNAN: $400 million in zero curiosity loans. So, individuals are already seeking to attempt to determine find out how to make ends meet.

We regarded, and 1 / 4 of all active-duty army members are meals insecure in response to the Division of Agriculture. That was effectively earlier than this shutdown. Which means they do not have an excellent food regimen or they are not in a position to afford meals.

We already noticed pressure on lots of that active-duty army. Are you able to give us a way of what this implies for somebody now to have a look at the calendar and know November fifteenth there is no pay coming?

JUAN ANDRADE: Sure. And I agree. This is without doubt one of the the explanation why we have already funded 400 million in loans at this time limit. Individuals are getting ready for an unsure time frame. And this is essential to them, significantly if we take into consideration our youthful enlisted, and significantly these with households.

Twin incomes in army households shouldn’t be a luxurious, it is a necessity. So, these are those that we’re very frightened about. And we wish to guarantee that they’re steady by way of this time period.

The opposite a part of this, and, frankly, the rationale for doing these zero curiosity loans, is we wish to guarantee that they do not flip to excessive rate of interest payday loans or excessive rate of interest bank cards on the identical time.

MARGARET BRENNAN: And the unemployment fee amongst civilian army spouses is sort of 5 instances the nationwide common, to your level, they want twin revenue. Many cannot try this.

However the Congressional Funds Workplace projection is that there will likely be an financial price. That the shutdown itself may result in $7 billion to $14 billion in misplaced development. What is the impression on the communities like yours the place you might be residing down in Texas, you understand, in areas the place there are bases round this nation?

JUAN ANDRADE: Positive. I feel you see it in a couple of methods. I feel one is certainly on client spending. Proper now individuals are prioritizing primary wants, whether or not it is well being or meals at this time limit. So, they’re positively slicing again on – on discretionary spending. I feel that is a part of that.

The opposite facet of it’s, you are going to see extra people who find themselves meals insecure. And this is without doubt one of the the explanation why we have now additionally been supporting our native communities. Our workplaces are all situated close to main army installations. And we have now donated thousands and thousands to army assist societies who’re finest positioned to supply meals and over companies in installations. And we have additionally been donating to native meals banks in our communities.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So, how does this evaluate to the final prolonged shutdown that we had in the course of the first Trump administration?

JUAN ANDRADE: The final shutdown mainly has not – didn’t final as lengthy. I feel that was a giant a part of that. And we additionally had the knowledge that the army can be getting paid. Now, clearly, up till now, they’ve been getting paid. The query of the uncertainty that we’re seeing from our members is, what occurs over the subsequent couple of weeks.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Since you had been already planning for that November 15 – while you say the shutdown wasn’t this lengthy, you had been assuming the federal government doesn’t get funded for the way lengthy?

JUAN ANDRADE: We’re already –

MARGARET BRENNAN: How lengthy can you retain doing this?

JUAN ANDRADE: We’re already planning for a second mortgage to members. So, we have had a quantity take us up actually on the primary supply of mortgage. Now they’re taking us up on the second supply of mortgage. And we’re ready to help. That is our job. And to take our members within the army group. So, we’ll sustain with this. And if we have now to do extra, we’ll do extra.

MARGARET BRENNAN: All proper. Nicely, we – we’re considering of your clients at the moment. We’ll proceed to trace what occurs with that real-world impression.

Thanks, Mr. Andrade.

JUAN ANDRADE: Thanks, Margaret.

MARGARET BRENNAN: We’ll be proper again.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: That is it for us immediately. Thanks for watching. Till subsequent week. For “FACE THE NATION,” I am Margaret Brennan.

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