On this “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” broadcast, moderated by Margaret Brennan:
- Secretary of State Marco Rubio
- Home Speaker Mike Johnson, Republican of Louisiana
- Senate Minority Chief Chuck Schumer, Democrat of New York
- Sen. Tammy Duckworth, Democrat of Illinois
- Ret. Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges
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MARGARET BRENNAN: I am Margaret Brennan in Washington.
And this week on Face the Nation: Is Israel’s battle with Hamas lastly coming to an finish? In the meantime, the federal government shutdown continues with no sign of ending.
Two years after the October 7 bloodbath that killed greater than 1,200 Israelis, is a severe plan for a full hostage launch and cease-fire in Gaza lastly materializing? Secretary of State Marco Rubio will inform us the place that deal stands and what’s forward for Gaza, the place greater than 67,000 have been killed within the battle’s destruction.
Plus, the Trump administration continues to ramp up its federal presence in blue cities.
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DONALD TRUMP (President of the US): We will straighten them out one after the other. It is the enemy from inside, and we’ve got to deal with it earlier than it will get uncontrolled.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: And we’ll take a more in-depth have a look at the Trump Division of Warfare’s new guidelines for the navy. Illinois Democratic Senator Tammy Duckworth will be a part of us, in addition to retired Military Lieutenant Normal Ben Hodges.
Lastly, as Congress continues their standoff on authorities funding, we’ll discuss with Home Speaker Mike Johnson and Senate Minority Chief Chuck Schumer about why Individuals say the shutdown is hurting each political events.
It is all simply forward on Face the Nation.
Good morning, and welcome to Face the Nation.
When phrase got here late Friday that Hamas was open to the 20-point plan devised by President Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to return the hostages and cease the battle in Gaza, Mr. Trump took to social media.
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DONALD TRUMP (President of the US): This can be a huge day. We are going to see the way it all seems. Now we have to get the ultimate phrase down in concrete.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Negotiators for all sides will start conferences in Cairo tomorrow with that precise objective in thoughts. Particular envoy to the Center East Steve Witkoff and the president’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, will characterize the U.S.
We are going to discuss with the president’s prime diplomat and nationwide safety adviser, Marco Rubio, in a second.
However, first, our Debora Patta stories from Israel.
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DEBORA PATTA (voice-over): Suspended between hope and dread, households and buddies of hostages who’ve waited almost two years for his or her family members to come back dwelling usually are not celebrating but.
LIRAN BERMAN (Hostage Relative): Now we have lived via Hamas lies earlier than. We can not let one other deal collapse.
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DEBORA PATTA: Many Israelis fear, the hazard lies inside. Proper-wing members of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s ruling coalition Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich have threatened to break down his authorities if Hamas nonetheless exists after the hostages are launched.
ZAHIRO MOR (Hostage Relative): And we all know that, the nearer we get, the extra Ben-Gvir, Smotrich and Netanyahu will do the whole lot to sabotage our probability to embrace our family members.
DEBORA PATTA: The phrases of the proposed deal take the right-wing dream of annexing Gaza off the desk and demand a staged Israeli withdrawal from the territory. Hamas has agreed to launch all of the hostages in trade for prisoners and give up governing energy in Gaza.
However it’s the issues left unsaid that would upend a deal. Hamas has made no point out of disarmament, a key Israeli demand. Palestinians are simply as determined for a cease-fire. President Trump had ordered Israel to cease bombing Gaza after Hamas’ response, however not all of the weapons went silent.
Asmi Hamdan’s (sp?) 12-year-old granddaughter was killed in an Israeli strike yesterday.
“What was her crime?” he sobbed. “Shrapnel pierced her chest and he or she died.”
JAMES ELDER (UNICEF Spokesperson): That is two years of a relentless assault on the whole lot they maintain expensive.
DEBORA PATTA: We spoke to UNICEF’s James Elder in Gaza.
How essential is it proper now for the kids of Gaza?
JAMES ELDER: Oh, it is the whole lot. It is the whole lot. They’re holding on. They actually – they are surely. It is day-to-day.
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DEBORA PATTA: And there will probably be plenty of strain on each Israel and Hamas when negotiations round logistics for a hostage-prisoner swap start in Cairo tomorrow.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We flip now to Secretary of State and Nationwide Safety Adviser Marco Rubio.
Good morning to you, Mr. Secretary.
MARCO RUBIO (U.S. Secretary of State): Good morning.
MARGARET BRENNAN: It could be extraordinary to finish what has been considered one of Israel’s longest and bloodiest wars.
The prime minister mentioned he is solely permitting these talks that will probably be underway in Egypt to go for just a few days. What precisely is the deadline for Hamas and the fear teams who’re holding hostages? When do they should launch them?
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: Properly, yeah, so a pair factors.
Hamas has – clearly, look, we’re coping with Hamas, OK? So let’s take that with – for what it’s. However they’ve mentioned that they agree with the president’s framework for the discharge of the hostages. So what these talks must be about – and a few of that dialog is already taking place now – – it is not ready till Monday in Cairo – is the logistics behind the discharge of those hostages.
How do you cease the combating? Who’s going to go in and get them? You realize, when are they going to be launched? The place are they picked up? What are the processes for this? That is what must be – that is what this dialog must be about at this level, as a result of they’ve agreed to the framework of it.
Then there’s second – past that’s, what occurs after that? And that’s, how can we make sure that we will create a – and assist construct a Gaza freed from terrorism, freed from Hamas, freed from something like Hamas? And that is going to take work and a while, not simply to agree on, however to implement.
However that is essential, as a result of that is what is going on to convey a everlasting finish to those hostilities in the long run. And so these are the 2 phases right here. However, proper now, essentially the most emergent and rapid part is the one which Hamas claims to have agreed to already, and that’s, they’re ready to launch the hostages.
Let’s focus on via the mediators the logistics and the mechanics behind how that occurs. And that has to occur in a short time. That can’t drag on.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So my sources have indicated to me that, as a result of the higher echelon of Hamas fighters has been so decimated, communication is tough. The opposite terror teams who additionally maintain hostages in Gaza aren’t essentially simply managed by them.
How do you handle round this actuality? And is full launch by October 7 the demand?
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: Properly, I do not know concerning the date. It could be nice if it was earlier than October 7. We want it will have occurred yesterday.
However there are realities right here, after which there are issues individuals do to impede progress. Actuality is, this can be a battle zone. I imply, this can be a place that suffered an amazing quantity of destruction. That combating must cease. You possibly can’t launch hostages whereas there’s nonetheless bombardments happening.
However, on the similar time, that may’t – , in order that has to finish, however – that has to cease. However you additionally must work via the opposite logistics. Who’s going to go choose them up? We noticed how this occurred previously. You realize, the Pink Cross would go in.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: They’d be handed over via this course of, et cetera. And so all of that is what must be labored on and is being labored on as we converse.
So I am not telling you there aren’t some logistical hurdles right here, however I’m saying that the expectation is, is that this occurs rapidly. And I might additionally say that, whereas we wish all of the hostages to be launched, if there are 5 which might be able to go proper now, they need to be launched proper now. If one other 10 are able to go in 12 hours after that, the subsequent group ought to come out, however, in the end, they need to all come out.
And I believe what you are listening to from individuals is, sure, there must be some logistics that must be labored via. However what you’ll be able to’t have and what we won’t see and what we hope we won’t see is that we get into these talks, and these talks are then delayed, and it appears to be like like they’re unnecessarily delaying it.
That might be a really unhealthy signal. Let’s hope that is not what occurs. And it is going to be crucial for our companions within the area who signed on to this deal, the UAE, Qatar, Turkey, Jordan, Egypt, et cetera, for them to be placing plenty of strain on Hamas to ensure this occurs as rapidly as potential.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However you identified that releases cannot occur when bombardments are underway.
Our CBS crew in Gaza tells us that there are Israeli bombardments below approach. There have been strikes Saturday, tens killed, extra injured, bombings persevering with. One incident included 10 individuals killed after they tried to test in on their houses in areas the place there are additionally navy websites. Is that acceptable?
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: Properly, I believe, in the end, what you are going to see right here is that, when an settlement is reached on these are the logistics behind when the discharge goes to occur, then I believe you will see these bombardments cease.
And I believe a few of that exercise has already decreased considerably. So, there is a framework right here, and the framework is straightforward. When you agree on the logistics of how that is going to occur – I believe the Israelis and everybody acknowledge you’ll be able to’t launch hostages in the course of strikes, so the strikes must cease, and, as you noticed, the president state that very clearly on Friday, the place he need – requested the Israelis to start to tug again to create the circumstances for these releases.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, this isn’t a violation of that?
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: So, look, there’s going to be plenty of complexities.
Properly, we’re making an attempt to get the hostages out. That is the underside line. We need to get the hostages out as quickly as potential. For that to occur, there cannot be a battle happening in the course of it, and Hamas has to agree to show them over and we’ve got to have the suitable individuals go in and get them. That is what we’ll concentrate on proper now, and that is what we’ll – that is what we have been targeted on.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: And that is what the talks are going to be about at this time, on Monday, on Tuesday, to get this executed as quickly as potential.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I hear you. There are two phases right here, with – Hamas releasing the hostages is the one you are most targeted on. However, huge image, does the US assess that Israel has so diminished the menace posed by Hamas that it may possibly finish fight and transition to the form of decrease tempo counterterrorism marketing campaign that, say, the US carries out towards terrorist threats to this nation?
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: Properly, look, I imply, the best consequence right here is, you do not have to hold out any counterterror missions as a result of there are not any terrorists in Gaza as a result of Gaza is ruled by Palestinian technocrats.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However can they take the win? Can Netanyahu say he received this battle?
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: Properly, to start with, that – making a Gaza – or establishing a Gaza that’s ruled by Palestinian technocrats that aren’t terrorists and usually are not sponsoring terrorism, that is not going to occur in 72 hours.
MARGARET BRENNAN: After all.
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: That is going to take a while to construct up, and it is going to require plenty of work and plenty of worldwide help.
And that is the top objective right here of this complete endeavor, after you get the hostages out. By the best way, if you cannot get the hostages out, you don’t have any hope of getting that executed. In order that’s why I say, , that that – these two steps must occur.
However it is going to take plenty of laborious work and time. You realize, you are making an attempt to construct one thing that does not exist proper now, which is a kind of civilian Palestinian management that is not tied to terrorism. That does not exist proper now. It is going to take plenty of assist from worldwide companions.
That is why having the nations within the area and the Europeans and all others concerned on this in each cash and sources, that is why constructing that coalition is so vital. After which implementing it’s not going to be straightforward.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However…
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: It is going to take a while right here.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Understood.
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: However I believe, definitely, for the primary time in a very long time, you see the framework and the outlines of one thing that would work.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However fight operations can finish?
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: Properly, that is the objective right here.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: Properly, you would not want fight operations if there weren’t terrorists there.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly…
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: However, by the identical token, I might remind everyone, if, in reality, on the finish of all this terrorism and a terrorist group stays lively inside Gaza, you are not going to have peace.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: That is the elemental reality right here that everybody wants to simply accept.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: You are by no means going to have peace in Gaza so long as there are terrorists working from that territory threatening the safety of Israel.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure. However by way of occupation and fight operations, that is completely different than a counterterrorism marketing campaign.
However let me ask you particularly what President Trump mentioned. He advised Barak Ravid of Axios that Prime Minister Netanyahu – quote – “took it very far, and Israel misplaced plenty of help on the planet. Now I’ll get all that help again.”
At what level did President Trump resolve that Netanyahu took this combat in Gaza or his operations all through the Center East, when did he take it too far?
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: Properly, I believe the president’s – OK, the president’s commentary, principally, is that due to the size of this battle and the way it’s gone – we have all seen the worldwide narrative.
We have all seen it. Whether or not we agree with it or not, we’ve got seen nations just like the U.Ok., Australia, Canada and others come out and kind of sign help for – or announce help for a Palestinian state. Now we have seen, even in our personal home politics, among the assaults on Israel.
We do not neglect what occurred on October 7.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: That is the opposite factor the president repeatedly factors to, is, keep in mind October 7.
However the implic – whether or not we agree with it or not, we’ve got seen the influence that this has had on Israel’s international standing. And I believe that is the purpose the president is making right here, is that, whether or not you consider it was justified or not, proper or not, that we – you can’t ignore the influence that this has had on Israel’s international standing.
That mentioned, if we by no means need to see this occur once more, which means a battle like this, you’ll be able to by no means have one other October 7 or something prefer it ever occur once more. And that is the factor the president has reiterated and repeatedly made clear to our companions within the area, and that’s, if you happen to actually need peace and stability and a greater future for the Palestinian individuals, then there must be a Gaza that isn’t ruled or managed in any approach, form or kind by Hamas or something that appears like Hamas.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
Does the US help a Palestinian state? As a result of level 19 in your White Home plan talks a few credible pathway to Palestinian self- dedication and statehood.
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: Properly, once more, we have at all times mentioned – I imply, this has been a constant place all through – that the one approach you are ever going to have something that appears like statehood is in a negotiated cope with the Israelis. We’re so removed from that proper now.
A pathway means, sure, you are going to…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper, however Prime Minister Netanyahu opposes…
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: However…
MARGARET BRENNAN: … a Palestinian state and thanked President Trump for talking towards recognition of 1. That is why I am asking you to make clear.
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: Properly, we have not acknowledged a Palestinian state.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I perceive.
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: America has not. And, proper now, there is not any level in doing that…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Does the U.S. need to see one?
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: … as a result of it is not even potential. That is not even a sensible factor proper now, as a result of who – who would govern that Palestinian state, Hamas?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, it is level 19 in your plan…
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: Who would govern it?
MARGARET BRENNAN: … I believed.
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: Properly, however that is speaking a few pathway long run and sooner or later.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: However one of many – earlier than you’ll be able to even get there, OK, that is – , earlier than you’ll be able to even get there, you need to have somebody to show that land – Israel’s made clear they’ve no real interest in governing Gaza, they’ve no real interest in occupying Gaza long run and being the federal government of Gaza.
I believe Israel – I am unable to converse for Israel, however I believe Israel would inform you they’d love to show over Gaza to a Palestinian group that is not terroristic. They’d love to do this. However that does not exist proper now. That must be constructed, and that is going to take time.
You are not going to construct that in 72 hours. You are not going to construct that in 72 weeks. I imply, it is going to take a while to get to that time. So that is the pathway this discusses. And I believe, if you happen to look ahead into the longer term, the place there’s instantly a Palestinian government-like group that may govern territory, then there’s plenty of potentialities.
However that must be negotiated and agreed to by Israel. In the long run, it is quite simple. There will be peace in Gaza. There will be Palestinian governance in Gaza, whether or not you name it statehood or one thing else, so long as it’s not terrorists which might be in command of that territory.
That is what Israel agreed to after they turned over Gaza within the first place, after which Hamas took over Gaza and turned it right into a terrorist camp, and that is what’s led us to the purpose that we’re at at this time. So if we will get off that highway and onto a unique highway, there are plenty of potentialities long run and sooner or later, however proper now…
MARGARET BRENNAN: So perhaps?
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: … we’re removed from that. Proper now, we – we have to get these hostages out, and we simply want technocrats that aren’t terrorists to have the ability to start the fundamental reconstruction of Gaza.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: That interview was taped earlier at this time.
With the digital camera off, Secretary Rubio clarified that President Trump nonetheless opposes Israeli annexation of the West Financial institution, although there is no such thing as a point out of the occupied territory within the 20-point White Home peace plan.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We flip now to the federal government shutdown now in its fifth day.
Home Speaker Mike Johnson joins us from Capitol Hill.
Good morning to you, Speaker. Anybody up there to barter with?
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REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON (R-Louisiana): There’s not, Margaret.
Good morning. Good to listen to your voice.
It is form of quiet round right here. It has been for the final a number of days, and it is very unlucky, as a result of, as we’re speaking, actual individuals are being adversely affected across the nation, and a few in – in very substantial methods.
I pray that extra Democrats within the Senate will come to their senses and do the suitable factor, and after they have the subsequent alternative on Monday to vote to open the federal government, I absolutely hope that they are going to.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, you probably did ship your lawmakers dwelling to their districts, which suggests we have most likely one other week forward of us of this shutdown.
You talked about the real-world influence. Federal staff, together with our navy, would miss their first paychecks October 15 or 16. How lengthy ought to staff plan to be with out that revenue?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: Properly, the one one that can reply that query is your subsequent visitor. And that is Chuck Schumer, as a result of the Home did its job. The explanation that Home Republicans are dwelling working of their districts, and I believe Home Democrats must be as nicely, is as a result of we did that.
We handed a bipartisan, very clear persevering with decision a few weeks again now, and despatched it to the Senate. It is crucial to notice what was in that. It was solely 24 pages in size, Margaret. It was a great religion effort to maintain the federal government open for seven extra weeks in order that Republicans and Democrats, in a bipartisan vogue, might work collectively to fund the federal government with the appropriations course of.
Chuck Schumer at all times voted for these previously. In reality, he did it 13 instances throughout the 4 years of the Biden administration, however now instantly he is commanding his Democrats within the Senate to not do it. And there is one easy purpose why. They want political cowl from the far left nook of the bottom.
He is afraid, Chuck Schumer individually – ask him about it – he is afraid he will get a problem from the Marxist left in his occasion, as a result of that is the brand new wave in New York. That is what that is about. Chuck Schumer is making an attempt to point out a combat towards the president and Republicans, and actual Individuals are being harmed within the strategy of this political sport.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK. Properly, Democrats, as , need to have one other dialog in regard to extending some tax subsidies that decrease the price of some well being care that is bought via the Obamacare market.
To that time, although, you are speaking concerning the politics of this. Our CBS polling that we launched at this time reveals neither occasion’s stance is considered as value shutting down this authorities.
The Democrats need to discuss concerning the tax credit. You realize premium pricing is already being set now, even when this does not expire till finish of the yr. Your fellow Republican Jen Kiggans mentioned: “Elevating prices for households with little discover and probably stripping them of entry to care is solely unacceptable.”
Would not she have a degree right here?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: There’s plenty of factors to be made on that, and we’re prepared to speak about, negotiate and do all of that.
However they’re making an attempt to create that as a purple herring right here proper now. Margaret, this can be a funding bootstrap measure, a quite simple, very standard factor that is been executed right here on a regular basis. That is the best way it really works now. We’d like a bit extra time on the clock to complete the appropriations course of. Now we have loads of time to debate that very sophisticated difficulty.
It isn’t a easy one. There must be reforms to that subsidy, as a result of there’s plenty of fraud, waste and abuse concerned in it. There is a – there’s 535 members of Congress within the Home and Senate. There is a – there’s most likely 400 completely different concepts on the right way to repair that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: However we’d like a bit time to do it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: We’re not saying that we can’t negotiate it. We’re saying, flip the lights again on in Congress, get troops paid, TSA brokers and Border Patrol brokers paid who’re making an attempt to guard us.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: Restore the well being care packages which might be being stalled for veterans and Medicare recipients who’re getting dwelling well being. It is all stalled now. Restore FEMA flood insurance coverage packages in the course of a hurricane program…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper. Flip the lights again on.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: … and WIC packages for younger ladies.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However simply…
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: We acquired to get this fastened now.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However simply to make clear what you have been simply saying, do I hear you accurately that you simply, as speaker of the Home, need to see the tax credit score prolonged at a future date? Is that what you’re saying?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: No. No, I have never staked out any place on it but, as a result of that is not how this course of works. We’re in a deliberative physique.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper. I am asking you your place since you mentioned…
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: I am the speaker of the Home.
MARGARET BRENNAN: … you’ll be prepared to speak about it.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: I am telling you my place. I am the speaker of the Home. What I’ve to do is draw consensus amongst 435 members of my physique. I do not get out and challenge what the ultimate conclusion goes to be.
And I’ve advised Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries most lately within the Oval Workplace with the president simply 5, six days in the past, maintain the federal government open in order that we will try this job.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: We have been at all times planning to do this. Once more, the funding runs out December 31. The month of October is a vital time for us to get to this.
However we won’t when Chuck Schumer retains voting to close the federal government down for political causes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly…
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: That is purely and easily what’s taking place right here.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You consider you’ve time right here, however our companion at well being coverage suppose tank KFF reported 80 p.c of all premium tax credit went to Obamacare enrollees in Trump-won states, purple states.
Do you actually – do fear in any respect that this stance might backfire, that ready to speak concerning the tax credit score might harm you and will harm your voters?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: No, as a result of – no, no, as a result of we’ve got time to do it. Once more, the funding does not run out till December 31. We’re speaking a few September 30 deadline that is now handed to maintain the federal government open in order that Republicans and Democrats can have that very debate.
Chuck Schumer has shut it off as a result of he wants a political argument proper now. A hundred percent, Margaret, that is what that is about.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, you…
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: Play the tape. Play the tape of Chuck Schumer saying persistently for the final 30 years…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: … that C.R.s are harmful, damaging, and egocentric. He’s now the captain of it, and it is on him.
Republicans within the Home, Senate, and the White Home need to maintain the federal government open.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, you need…
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: Now we have voted to take action. Democrats are shutting it down.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However you’re committing to have that dialog about well being care, is what I perceive you saying?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: It was – it was at all times going to proceed.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: They’re making this up. That could be a purple herring. They’re making an attempt to – they’re making an attempt to say that this combat proper now’s about that. That wasn’t even a combat. It is a joke. Name him on it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, the director of the Financial Council, Kevin Hassett, was on one other community this morning, and mentioned it’s as much as the president of the US to resolve when the mass layoffs will start.
He appears to be indicating the president is utilizing these RIFs, these discount in drive threats, as leverage right here. Are you aware how rapidly these layoffs will begin?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: I do not know. I anticipate it must be quickly, as a result of Chuck Schumer turned off the funding sources and whomever is the chair of the Workplace…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Would you like that as leverage?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: No, nor – neither does the president. No, the president needs the federal government open. He is pleaded with Schumer and Hakeem in particular person in his workplace to do this, and so they mentioned no, as a result of they need to do that.
You realize what they counterproposed? They need to spend $1.5 trillion, and so they need to return hardworking taxpayer {dollars} to fund well being take care of unlawful aliens. It’s of their invoice. Go to speaker.gov and see it for your self, web page 57, Part 2141. They’re utilizing this for political video games, and it’s shameful, and actual individuals are getting harm.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, that – I’ve checked out that textual content. It does not explicitly say what you’re indicating.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: Wait a minute. Wait. Maintain on. Crucial. Crucial.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However unauthorized immigrants aren’t eligible for ACA advantages.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: Sure, it does. It is – it says very merely they need to repeal the adjustments that we made within the – within the Working Households Tax Lower, the One Large Stunning Invoice.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That is proper.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: And what these adjustments have been is, it eliminated well being care going to unlawful aliens. It eliminated all of the fraud, waste and abuse. And the Congressional Funds Workplace, CBO, mentioned it achieved the specified end result. They challenge it can save virtually $200 billion.
Chuck Schumer’s proposal on web page 57 needs to return that $200 billion of taxpayer funds to pay for unlawful aliens and different noncitizens. That could be a truth, and you may test it out on my Website online, speaker.gov. Do not belief me. Take a look at Chuck Schumer’s personal paperwork.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Speaker of the Home Mike Johnson, thanks in your time this morning.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome again to “FACE THE NATION.”
Senator Chuck Schumer is the highest Democrat on the opposite aspect of the Capitol, and he joins us now from New York Metropolis.
Good morning to you, Chief.
I need to choose up on one thing the speaker of the Home was pointing to. He needs this combat to be about illegals, as he mentioned. And I need to be particular right here as a result of we all know from our analysis that there is no such thing as a federal cash that goes in direction of well being care tax credit for undocumented immigrants on this nation. The federal authorities does not fund medical health insurance for the undocumented. However additionally it is true that states, like yours, New York, does present well being take care of people who find themselves on this nation illegally. And their argument appears to be the cash right here is fundable and backside line is it comes out of the federal pocket. Do you need to reply to that?
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY): You realize, they do not need to – Johnson does not need to focus on the true difficulty, the well being care disaster going through the American individuals, so he places up all these pretend lies to attempt to divert consideration. It is his customary operation. He is simply is anxious with the politics.
Each unbiased company that appears at this says Johnson’s declare is fake. And simply as you mentioned, Margaret, no, zero federal {dollars} can go to undocumented immigrants via Medicare, Medicaid, via ACA. And so, we should be speaking about the true difficulty right here, which is that we’ve got a well being care disaster in America, attributable to the Republicans. They’ve – they’ve barreled us in direction of a shutdown as a result of they do not need to cope with that disaster, plain and easy.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, let’s discuss concerning the shutdown in a second. By way of well being care, the place you – you’ve got taken us by way of the messaging, Democrats, as I perceive it, are searching for an extension of these Obamacare tax credit score. I consider you want them completely. You heard the speaker say, we will discuss that after the federal government is reopened, maybe not completely. However do you hear any form of opening right here for a negotiation by any means?
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: Properly, proper now, not. Look, Johnson’s not severe about this. He despatched his – all his congressmen dwelling final week and residential this week. The way you going to barter after they’re all there.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, he says the job is within the Senate with you and – and Chief Thune.
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: And he is – nicely, no, you want – no, you really need Johnson. If you are going to negotiate any settlement, you want Johnson, Thune, Trump, Schumer, and Jeffries. And the explanation he despatched them house is as a result of he is extra enthusiastic about defending the Epstein information than defending the American individuals from the well being care disaster.
We have been making an attempt for months and months to sit down down with him and have a severe dialog addressing America’s well being care wants. They usually’ve refused and refused and refused. And simply in your present, and on different reveals, after they ask him, nicely, will you do it in January.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: He says it – it is beginning in January. He says, no, we’ll have a dialog. Properly, what, later means by no means. And we have tried 45 days and 45 days and 45 days from March on. We requested them to vote on it thrice. The Republicans within the Senate. They voted no thrice. So, we have to clear up this disaster.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That was a everlasting extension. Properly –
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: Look –
MARGARET BRENNAN: The invoice that I believe you are referring to was Senator Shaheen. It was a everlasting extension. It wasn’t the, , compromise that he –
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: He – Johnson has not dedicated –
MARGARET BRENNAN: That some Republicans have proposed.
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: Sure. Margaret, Johnson has not dedicated to any extension and he will not till the American individuals drive him to. And it does not – and, by the best way, the disaster does not begin in January. Two days in the past, beginning October 1st, tens of millions of Individuals are getting notices that their well being care premiums are going – dramatically growing. If you happen to’re a 55-year-old couple and also you pay – make $80,000, you know the way a lot your premiums will go up if we do not prolong it? It should go up one thing like $25,000. The common American pays $900 extra.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: How do Individuals who’re struggling, and sitting on the desk Friday night time determining the right way to pay the payments, how on earth can they get such a rise? Democrats are easy, we need to prolong it, and they also will not must pay that improve.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: And Johnson doesn’t need to do it. He is simply not severe about it, as exemplified by him sending the Home dwelling for 2 weeks. It’s worthwhile to be right here to barter.
MARGARET BRENNAN: All proper, you are utilizing the phrase “prolong” verses making everlasting, simply making clear there.
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: Look –
MARGARET BRENNAN: After which the quantity we see –
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: Look, I am not –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Is the common improve of about $1,000 in premium funds for many households that can go into impact.
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: Proper. Proper. Sure, and it is horrible.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However – however on the – on –
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: And also you – it is horrible.
MARGARET BRENNAN: On the – on the reopening the whole lot dialog, sir, although –
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: Sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I imply, do you belief Chief Thune? And – and while you have a look at simply your numbers right here, three senators already crossed over to vote with Republicans on this short-term funding deal. Are you involved about extra defections?
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: Look, it is a Republican shutdown as a result of they’ve refused to speak with us. Johnson, I noticed him talked about that we did it 13 instances once I was majority chief. That is true. You realize why? In each case we sat down and talked with the Republicans, and there was a give and take, after which either side did not get the whole lot they needed, however we acquired it executed. They’ve refused to speak to us even as soon as. And Jeffries and I’ve been making an attempt to get them to speak to us for –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, Thune – Thune advised Fox that there are ongoing –
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: They’ve tried to get to – us to speak to them for –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Ongoing conversations.
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: We have tried to speak to them for months and months and months and so they mentioned, no. The American individuals know that they are in cost. Republican president, Republican Senate, Republican Home, that they’ve a duty to governor, which suggests sit down and discuss with us so we will deal with these wants.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However again to the query of defections. Chief Thune was on one other community, on Fox, and he mentioned there are conversations with Democrats who need to discover an offramp right here. Is he having conversations with Democrats apart from you? Are you certain you’ll be able to’t – will you’ve defections?
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: I’ve – I’ve inspired my – sure, Margaret, I’ve inspired my Democratic members to sit down and discuss to Republicans. It is at all times good when Democrats and Republicans discuss to one another.
However two factors. First, in these conversations, the Republicans provided nothing. And – however second, the one approach this may in the end be solved is that if 5 individuals sit collectively in a room and clear up it. They’re the president, who additionally does not appear severe about this. You realize, he is placing out his memes and his issues with the grim reaper and all of that stuff, and he is enjoying golf.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: Johnson’s not severe. And so, we have to sit down down, the 5 of us. That is the best way to unravel this drawback. However when Democrats discuss to Republicans, it is a good factor. And I’ve inspired my Democrats to do it, however they’ve provided us nothing. No change.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Have you ever tried calling President Trump? He appears to take telephone calls immediately.
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: Properly, , we sat – we tried to get President Trump to sit down down with us weeks in the past, lengthy earlier than the shutdown date began.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, no. OK.
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: He mentioned – he mentioned, sure. He mentioned, no. Johnson advised him to say no. We sat down the – , the day earlier than, and he wasn’t severe. He put these purple hats on the desk, and he is joking round. And truthfully, within the assembly, Margaret, I acquired the sensation he did not even know what was taking place, that the disaster was impending, that folks would pay such a –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: He as soon as mentioned, they’ll pay all that? That might be unhealthy for me.
And so the court docket right here is the American individuals.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Uh-uh.
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: The American individuals are listening to what’s taking place, and they’re demanding that we deal with this disaster.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: They’re demanding we sit down collectively and do it. It is simply logical. They’re – say that, , in your survey that you simply put out –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: They are saying that 75 p.c of individuals really feel Trump is not doing sufficient. One other survey by “The Washington Submit” confirmed not solely did 80 p.c of the American individuals need us to increase these credit, however 55 p.c of Trump voters.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, our – our –
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: The American individuals are, proper now –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Our –
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: Speaking to their senators, , speaking to their congressmen. They’re telling them, get this executed. We need to get it executed.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Our – our CBS polling additionally reveals that neither aspect is getting good grades on any of this, Chief.
We will have to depart that right here for this second.
We’ll be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: And we’re now joined by Illinois Democratic Senator Tammy Duckworth.
Good morning, and good to have you ever right here in particular person.
SENATOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH (D-IL): Thanks.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, I’ve to ask you about what the president introduced yesterday in regard to federalizing 300 Nationwide Guardsmen out within the state of Illinois. We have heard this menace going again all the best way to August. The governor says these usually are not wanted. Do you’ve any concept after they’ll arrive?
SENATOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH: Properly, I consider they’ll be Illinois nationwide guardsmen, so they are not going to be coming from out of state. I spoke to our governor yesterday, and it appears to be like like it is going to be about 300 Illinois guardsmen who will probably be activated towards the governor’s needs. So, they’re going to be – they’re going to be homegrown Illinoisans. They usually’re our brothers and sisters, our neighbors. I most likely served with fairly numerous them, definitely the management, and, , they’re going to be dwelling. We’ll – we’ll welcome them.
It is a misuse of the Nationwide Guard. They’re – they are not wanted on this specific position. If President Trump actually needed to combat crime, then perhaps he ought to cease defunding the police. He, , he diverted $800 million in crime prevention efforts away from – that was appropriated away from funding for our law enforcement officials. So, , I – I – they are not wanted, however we’ll welcome them as a result of they’re our brothers and sisters, and we’re pleased with our Nationwide Guard.
MARGARET BRENNAN: He has surged – or the federal authorities has surged brokers from completely different teams. The FBI mentioned yesterday they’re sending people in. Inform me about these protests. As a result of the – the photographs look fairly intense of what has occurred in – between individuals on the streets of Chicago – we’re displaying a few of that video now – round immigration points. As I perceive, yesterday, ICE authorities shot a Chicago girl within the Brighton Park space. Secretary Noem claimed ICE fired defensive pictures at this girl, who was armed who had appeared in a border patrol intelligence bulletin beforehand. She claims that federal brokers have been surrounded and have been threatened. What are native authorities telling you about what they suppose occurred right here?
SENATOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH: Properly, they lie, proper? The Trump administration lies. Now we have a president who’s a identified liar. They usually have been – they’ve been mendacity concerning the state of affairs all alongside. And, in reality, they even shot tear grenades – tear gasoline grenades, I believe, at a reporter who was merely driving by together with her window open. And so, we’re – we’re urging individuals, we’re urging our protesters, stay calm, peaceable protests, train your First Modification rights, however videotape the whole lot. All people has a telephone. Tape the whole lot in order that we even have actual proof of what’s taking place.
We all know the Trump administration lies persistently. And what I’m listening to is that, for the big half, individuals are being very fairly – are being very respectful, however ICE is being very aggressive. Do not forget that they’re zip- tieing kids. They’re raiding residence blocks in the course of the night time, separating kids from their households, pulling individuals out on to the streets bare. They’re utilizing Gestapo ways in Chicago. And that is what Trump needs to, proper? He needs to intimidate the individuals of Chicago. That is not going to occur. And we’ll doc the whole lot and ensure, simply because the decide in Portland mentioned that these – these necessities, these orders from the Trump administration usually are not really tied to actuality.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You are speaking about President Trump’s directive to ship Oregon Nationwide Guard troops into Portland, and the decide mentioned that – untethered to the details.
However on this case, I imply the Homeland Safety adviser says, “there’s a big and rising motion of left wing terrorism organized and funded.” They’re posting on Homeland Safety photos of snipers. So, we’re not speaking troops, we’re speaking about federal brokers which might be finishing up a few of this proper now. Have you ever seen any proof of – of what Stephen Miller is describing right here by way of group and concentrating on of federal brokers?
SENATOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH: No, under no circumstances. That is – it is merely not taking place. They’re mendacity. And so, if anyone is concentrating on anybody, it’s uncontrolled ICE brokers concentrating on, once more, zip-tieing kids, throwing reporters onto the bottom, separating kids from their moms, making an attempt to persuade faculties to show over children from public faculties. They’re raging via the streets of Chicago making an attempt to intimidate on a regular basis, peculiar residents who’re simply making an attempt to go to high school and go to work. That is not – that is not what America is about. And it’s shameful that the president of the US has instigated this in considered one of its biggest cities. He must be defending town. He must be defending town. Ship us the federal {dollars} that have been appropriated in a bipartisan solution to help legislation enforcement. They took cash away from legislation enforcement officers, youngster prevention effort – violence towards kids prevention efforts. They – they’ve actually – this president has defunded the police.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, that’s counter, their message at the very least. However on the message across the navy, I need to ask you about what occurred at Quantico and simply – so our viewers are clear, you serve on Armed Providers, however you retired from the Nationwide Guard. You have been a lieutenant colonel.
SENATOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH: Twenty-three years. Happy with it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Black Hawk helicopter pilot in Iraq. You served in fight. Secretary Hegseth advised senior navy leaders just some days in the past, he does not need to forestall ladies from serving, however he is now going to require everybody meet the male customary.
Let’s take heed to that.
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PETE HEGSETH, SECRETARY OF WAR: On the subject of any job that requires bodily energy to carry out in fight, these bodily requirements have to be excessive and gender impartial. If ladies could make it, glorious. If not, it’s what it’s. If meaning no ladies qualify for some fight jobs, so be it. That’s not the intent, but it surely could possibly be the end result.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: How did you hear these remarks? And the way do you suppose feminine service individuals heard them?
SENATOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH: Properly, that is the least certified secretary of protection in our nation’s historical past. And he is questioning the power of the ladies who really certified to do their – to do their jobs. The feminine rangers, the feminine that graduated from SEAL college have met these highest requirements. And by the best way, he – he’s obfuscating a bit bit as a result of there are completely different male requirements. The usual for a 45-year-old man isn’t the identical as an 18-year-old man. So, he does not really discuss that. He has lengthy sought to push ladies out of the navy. And, frankly, our navy couldn’t do its job of defending America and retaining us secure with out the ladies who serve within the navy.
If you happen to have a look at some classes we discovered in Afghanistan, for instance, the lionesses, the Marine Corps group of ladies who really went on patrol, all feminine items, that really was in a position to get intelligence from ladies, Afghani ladies, to get info on the enemy. Frankly, you’ve got acquired the least certified secretary of protection within the nation’s historical past who wastes taxpayer {dollars} frequently doing issues like bringing usually and flag officers to be an viewers for his canine and pony present, utilizing them as little toy troopers, when they need to be on the market, at their items, in command, doing their jobs.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Senator, thanks for very time and in your perception.
We’ll be again in a second.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We flip now to the previous commanding common of the U.S. Military in Europe, retired Lieutenant Normal Ben Hodges. And he joins us from Germany.
Welcome to “FACE THE NATION.”
LIEUTENANT GENERAL BEN HODGES (Retired Former Commanding Normal, U.S. Military in Europe): Thanks very a lot, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I need to choose – choose up the place we left off with Senator Duckworth, who’s a Purple Coronary heart recipient for her time serving this nation in fight.
Women and men have completely different primary health requirements. The secretary, in his remarks at Quantico, mentioned ladies – or he instructed ladies have been being given a go or have been held to decrease requirements for health necessities. Do you suppose his change to the, quote/unquote, “male customary” is critical?
LIEUTENANT GENERAL BEN HODGES: I believe that is fully pointless. I’ve 38 years within the Military, and we have served with ladies in all types of various environments and deployments. And I by no means had a case the place a feminine soldier was not in a position to do what she needed to do. So, this can be a – appears to me an pointless, virtually a medieval method that does not replicate the necessities that we’ve got for ladies and men who’re clever, in a position to function in a contemporary battlefield setting.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The protection secretary made these remarks at Quantico final week, as you nicely know, ordered in our most senior navy officers to listen to him lay out what he talked about by way of altering guidelines of engagement. These, , codes of conduct and requirements, to make battle much less brutal. The secretary mentioned this.
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PETE HEGSETH, SECRETARY OF WAR: We additionally do not combat with silly guidelines of engagement. We untie the arms of our battle fighters to intimidate, demoralize, hunt, and kill the enemies of our nation. No extra politically appropriate and overbearing guidelines of engagement, simply frequent sense, most lethality and authority for battle fighters.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: What do you make of – of these directives to officers?
LIEUTENANT GENERAL BEN HODGES: Properly, that is – that is not going to assist anyone accomplish their mission. I imply when you consider the mission that we had in Afghanistan, for instance, and I believe that is the place a few of his expertise comes from, it was to guard Afghan civilians in order that they may reestablish authorities and safe themselves. And so it was not about what number of Taliban might you kill. We had already tried that, and that did not work.
So, the foundations of engagement usually are not politically appropriate. They don’t seem to be meant to make it tougher for troopers or items to do their job. They really are a part of the mission. Why are we there? And so, I haven’t got any expertise the place killing plenty of harmless individuals, or violating the Geneva Conference, goes to assist accomplish the mission.
I believe that the concept that we should always – that in some way it is going to make us higher and more practical by individuals not having to fret concerning the legislation goes to be unhealthy for us within the long-term as nicely, each psychologically for troopers, but in addition the belief of the American individuals and of our allies in American forces, the place we’ve got at all times lived as much as worldwide legislation. And that was the place plenty of the respect got here from. We don’t need to be just like the Russian military, and so they definitely don’t be concerned about guidelines of engagement.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And the Geneva Conventions are one thing that the secretary, as a personal citizen, wrote about in his e book and questioned whether or not they need to be adopted in any respect. He mentioned, “what if we handled the enemy the best way they handled us? And if we” – I imply he talked about al Qaeda and utilizing a few of their ways, “rip their arms off, feed them to the hogs.” I imply, this sounds powerful, however by way of apply, does it danger the lives of – of those that are the set off pullers, those that are on the bottom, to have this message delivered from the best ranges?
LIEUTENANT GENERAL BEN HODGES: Properly, pay attention, to start with, the Geneva Conventions have been constructed beginning in 1949 after the Second World Warfare. They usually have been meant to guard harmless individuals, helpless individuals, noncombatants from the ravages of battle, because it did occur within the Second World Warfare. And I do not suppose anyone would say that Dwight Eisenhower was woke. And right here he was, he was chief of workers of the Military, after which supreme allied commander, after which president. So, this was throughout his time that the US helped create and signal the Geneva Conference. So, this is a man with extra fight expertise and wartime expertise than virtually anyone.
Now, the – when you consider fashionable warfare, particularly while you’re counterterrorism, simply as Secretary Rubio was describing earlier in your program, the individuals – how – the way you cope with the enemy and the way you cope with populations is the way you defeat an insurgency. And killing everyone in sight isn’t the way you defeat an insurgency.
MARGARET BRENNAN: As protection secretary, Hegseth fired the highest navy attorneys who advise on lethality. This is among the recommendation he gave to senior leaders this week.
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PETE HEGSETH, DEFENSE SECRETARY: You kill individuals and break issues for a residing.
On this career, you’re feeling comfy contained in the violence in order that our residents can stay peacefully. Lethality is our calling card and victory our solely acceptable finish state.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: What do you suppose meaning?
LIEUTENANT GENERAL BEN HODGES: Properly, to start with, it is not related to the truth of how these items occur, how wars are received. To start with, the political management has to explain the top state. What’s – what’s it we’ll do? Why are we sending troops someplace? What are they supposed to perform? And often it is not going to be by killing everyone in sight. So, I believe – I believe there is a disconnect between this concept that it is all about lethality and that we kill individuals and break issues. That is – that is not the mantra of any Military unit I used to be ever in, in 38 years. It was at all times about, accomplish the mission that was assigned to us, perform each lawful order, and do it in such a approach that protects civilians and ensures that every one of our troopers are protected and are available again dwelling secure. This concept of break issues and kill individuals, , that is what the Russians did in Bucha and Mariupol. That is not who we’re. We are the troopers of a free, democratic nation.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The president additionally spoke at that gathering. He referred to “the enemy inside.” He additionally spoke about utilizing “U.S. cities, like Chicago, as coaching grounds.” Are – are you comfy with individuals pondering that?
LIEUTENANT GENERAL BEN HODGES: Properly, look, I believe, to start with, U.S. navy – our fellow residents must be assured that the U.S. navy will at all times perform lawful orders. And so it is alarming when all the Decide Advocate Normal, or the Military – or the navy attorneys are sacked, are despatched away as a result of commanders do must have authorized counsel as they obtain orders and so they have a look at these advanced conditions. However our – our troops will perform lawful orders.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK. Thanks.
LIEUTENANT GENERAL BEN HODGES: I assure you that no soldier needs to have to make use of drive towards American individuals.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Lieutenant Normal, thanks in your insights. Now we have to depart it there.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Till subsequent week, for “FACE THE NATION,” I am Margaret Brennan.
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