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The next is the total transcript of a panel with Mayors Eileen Higgins, David Holt, Quinton Lucas and Mark Freeman, a portion of which aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on Feb. 1, 2026.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome again to Face The Nation. We’re joined now by a bipartisan group of mayors from throughout the nation. Republican David Holt of Oklahoma Metropolis, Democrat Eileen Higgins of Miami, Democrat Quinton Lucas of Kansas Metropolis, and Republican Mark Freeman of Mesa, Arizona. And it is good to have you ever all right here on the town on the desk collectively, talking in a bipartisan manner. There are such a lot of issues that you simply see on the bottom working your cities, and what we see in our polling, repeatedly, is the primary problem for folks once they say it is the economic system, what they actually imply is the price of dwelling, and the largest contributor to that basically is housing, shelter prices proper now actually burdening folks. And I need to begin with you, Mayor Higgins, Miami, we regarded it up, it is the least reasonably priced rental market of any main metropolis. Median worth for condos and single household houses up greater than 80% since COVID, so many individuals moved in there round that time period. You have been making an attempt to make authorities land out there to develop on. Is that working? Are you going to make a dent in costs?
MAYOR EILEEN HIGGINS: Properly, what I can inform you is the biggest landowners in lots of communities are municipal governments. And previous to turning into mayor, I served on our county fee for eight years, and through that point by activating county owned land, significantly land round transit stations, I used to be in a position to, in a brief time period, construct or rehabilitate 4,000 items of reasonably priced and workforce housing, and now we have about 3,000 extra within the pipeline. So that may be a huge contributor, and it may be used higher, and definitely I intend to take action on the metropolis. Whenever you’re constructing stuff, prices are excessive, proper? Price of land, price of concrete, price of metal, price of labor. So if price of land will be taken out of that equation, it makes it simpler to construct reasonably priced and workforce housing. And the opposite factor that is actually necessary that authorities can do is make it quicker to construct it, and one of many initiatives I undertook on the county was to utterly revamp how we allow reasonably priced housing, and at that- at our time limit, we might allow a 12-story constructing in lower than 4 months. Now, a part of the explanation I used to be elected mayor of the town of Miami was folks trusted me on constructing housing that’s reasonably priced for our employees, and to do it in file time. So my prime precedence on the metropolis is to repair a damaged allowing system, the place, proper now, it will possibly take two to 3 years earlier than you may even break floor on reasonably priced housing venture. So crucial that cities take note of their forms, make it as small as doable, as a result of day by day you are ready and allowing is the day the prices go up.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah, and this has develop into such a nationwide problem. I imply, Mayor Holt, you have heard President Trump problem this govt order saying he’ll ban institutional traders from growing in actual property, single household houses. Is it institutional traders which can be actually the issue? I imply, what’s it in Oklahoma Metropolis that is type of holding up a few of that free area to develop reasonably priced housing?
MAYOR DAVID HOLT: Price. Price of building, price of supplies. , as- as Mayor Higgins simply referenced, after all, all of us are our allowing and rules and ensuring that is as–
MARGARET BRENNAN: That is all native degree stuff.
MAYOR HOLT: That is all native degree stuff, yeah. I feel on the nationwide degree, we actually see room for partnership, although, all people’s received to do their half and definitely we will not ask the federal authorities to be a accomplice on this if we’re not doing the form of issues that you simply could- ask each one among us, and I guess you we have like 5 various things we’re engaged on proper now on housing, however we have been right here in Washington talking with one voice on this and in search of a federal partnership, and it has been simply as bipartisan as this desk. We’re assembly this week, we heard and had a go to from, you realize, Senator Warren, who has a invoice with Republican Senator Tim Scott, who additionally despatched a message, and naturally, we have been engaged on the Home aspect as effectively with a bipartisan group, Congressman Flood, Congressman Cleaver, so there’s lots of motion right here, and there is lots of curiosity, and definitely we additionally welcome the continued curiosity of- of President Trump and the administration, however none of that may be- none of this would be the silver bullet. But when we’re all engaged on it, we shall be hitting at what you described appropriately, which is that housing is the only best price in each family price range. So if you wish to, if you wish to tackle affordability, if that is the political watch phrase of 2026 then I might add to it, housing is how you are going to try this.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper and you- once you speak about convening all these folks, you are the president proper now of the mayors–
MAYOR HOLT: I’m the present president of america Convention of Mayors. A 100-year-old group that- that has- speaks for 1,400 mayors, had 300 mayors right here in Washington this week.
MARGARET BRENNAN: They usually all have this identical drawback?
MAYOR HOLT: Completely, yeah, I imply to totally different levels and in several methods, however there’s not a single mayor who mentioned, no, I am good on housing.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
MAYOR DAVID HOLT: Yeah, everybody- that is our primary problem.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Primary problem. Mayor Lucas, out in Kansas Metropolis, you have tried to create reasonably priced housing by way of a belief fund.
MAYOR QUINTON LUCAS: Sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I feel that is winding down, although. Did it make a distinction? Do you continue to have the form of scarcity that may be a drawback?
MAYOR LUCAS: , it made an incredible distinction. The problem in all of our cities. My metropolis of about half 1,000,000 folks, I feel wants about 28,000 extra items. I feel everybody across the desk could have related numbers challenges, and so we’re making a dent in an issue. However I feel step one we’d like is to determine extra sources. In lots of instances, to determine extra land. And we’re seeing progress. The query, I feel, for the American metropolis is, how do you fund it long run. If we do not see extra federal funding long run, states aren’t as closely within the enterprise as they was once. Are you wanting on bond obligations for native taxpayers? Extra personal funding? Allowing and regulatory burdens are an enormous a part of what we’re making an attempt to do. However it’s attention-grabbing, you’re seeing essentially non-partisan options to this, since you want personal sector public funding, land use reforms, every part below the solar to be sure you could make a change.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And do you see the- working with the federal authorities really being collaborative at this level?
MAYOR LUCAS: , the federal authorities has been very collaborative. There are actually all the time some maintain ups and points, and I feel that exists from administration to administration, ensuring we are able to get funding from HUD extra effectively, ensuring that there is a concentrate on true housing reform. However frankly, we acknowledge that there is not loads transferring in Washington some days, however this invoice on housing is one among them. And so we do see progress. We see an administration that is speaking to us on it, and we hope and imagine that everybody understands that housing is core to how we make our cities higher long run.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I can verify that loads is caught in Washington. Your remark is right there. Mayor, let me ask you, as a result of out in Arizona, we regarded, there is rather like statewide, this inhabitants growth that has occurred, and that is including to not simply the housing scarcity. You bought a water disaster on the market to help this inhabitants. We checked, and the renters in Arizona are spending no less than 30% of their earnings on housing. How do you offset all of these strains?
MAYOR MARK FREEMAN: Properly, for Mesa, Arizona, what we have achieved is- we’re a novel metropolis. We do not have a major property tax, nor do now we have a tax on meals, so once you go to the grocery retailer –
MARGARET BRENNAN: You are making an attempt to get extra folks to maneuver there now?
MAYOR FREEMAN: Properly, together with the water disaster you introduced up, we’re not in a water disaster. In reality, Mayor Gallego and I’ve shaped a water coalition to the place we’re engaged on water methods and portfolios, as a result of now we have a 100 12 months assured water provide for Arizona, particularly for all our municipalities, and that permits us to fulfill the housing wants that we’d like in our group and affordability, and we’re holding our costs down in Mesa and our surrounding areas.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So you do not see it as a water disaster proper now, although you may have this type of messy interstate battle over the Colorado River and- and water provides?
MAYOR FREEMAN: Properly, just- I’m a farmer, so I do farm. I exploit water to irrigate my crops with, and we’re having a water problem with the higher basin and decrease basin states. In order that decrease basin, which I am in, is prepared to barter with the higher basin and to proceed to get further waters to Arizona, that- which we positively want. I imply, Arizona, Mesa, now we have skilled a 775,000 acre foot minimize of water. We’re the junior companions on the Colorado River, the place different states will not be. So we have taken our share of cuts. So we wish options. That is what we’d like.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And we’ll- we’ll be watching that, as a result of I imagine that interstate battle is simply dealing with extra deadlines and strain. However let me come again to you, Mayor Higgins, we checked Financial institution of America lists Miami as one of many prime cities with the biggest inhabitants loss 12 months over 12 months. Seventy p.c folks there went- who have been leaving selected to go elsewhere within the South. What’s it that is driving the migration out? After you may have this growth throughout COVID, folks now leaving? Is that on account of simply affordability? Is that on account of one thing else?
MAYOR HIGGINS: We’re nonetheless blessed with lots of firms which can be finding their headquarters and selecting Miami as their house. And so actually, we proceed to see folks transferring there. Now we did have, I suppose, the- the COVID Increase, of people who got here down for some time that weren’t aspiring to make Florida their everlasting house. And so a few of them have gone- gone again to different locations, however on the finish of the day, we nonetheless have a sturdy sector of our group that’s there. They’ve all the time been there. And so my job now could be to verify with these new tech firms and AI firms and cyber firms which can be finding and calling Miami house to attach our workforce to these excessive paying jobs, as a result of now we have historically been a service sector economic system. And it is nice to have a hospitality economic system. These are typically low wage jobs with low advantages, and so workforce growth packages, significantly in cooperation with Miami Dade Faculty, to arrange our employees for these tech jobs, is the way in which to verify we’re addressing affordability by way of wages, not simply by way of the price of housing, giving them entry to the careers they deserve, and to harness the chance that’s finding with these firms in Miami.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So I need to come again to tech, however let’s simply proceed on this theme of labor and provide. Immigration is such a heated problem on this nation proper now, and enforcement specifically. There’s- on the nationwide degree, this stress we’re seeing, significantly within the wake of the shootings in Minnesota, between the federal authorities after which state and native authorities. I need to perceive the way you’re serious about this, as a result of I noticed your assertion that known as for basic de-escalation. None of your cities are technically sanctuary cities. All of them adjust to requests from the federal authorities to cooperate on immigration enforcement. That is- that is totally different from locations like Minneapolis. Mayor Freeman, we checked, 4% of the inhabitants in Arizona is undocumented, in accordance with Pew. As I perceive it, you may have restricted cooperation with ICE, and also you hand folks over to federal authorities if they’ve an immigration infraction, however your native authorities picked them up for one thing else, proper? That is what, in impact, that coverage means. Why does that give you the results you want when it would not work in locations like Minneapolis and you’ve got this excessive diploma of stress and this standoff?
MAYOR FREEMAN: Properly I- personally, I feel- that is an incredible query, however I feel there’s some misinterpretation- excuse me, of it as a result of in Mesa, now we have an settlement with ICE. However nonetheless, it is solely on infractions that could be a civil infraction, and so we do not have a jail in Mesa, Arizona. So we go to a holding facility, and we have been working with ICE for- since 2009 with an settlement that we discovered very profitable with. However extra importantly, what we’re doing in Mesa, I’ve taken- I’ve elevated it to the following degree. We have now Dia de Muertos, the Day of the Useless, that now we have with our Hispanic-Latino group. We have now El Grito, who’s the liberation of Spain from Mexico. So now we have these nice experiences in Mesa, Arizona, our downtown space in cooperation with our Latino-Hispanic space. And I meet with our pastors as effectively to ensure that every part goes effectively on their finish.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And you do not really feel the stress on the native degree proper now, like the talk we’re having as a rustic.
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MAYOR FREEMAN: No, I do not feel–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Are folks speaking about it?
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MAYOR FREEMAN: Yeah, they speak about it in our group, however I am assembly with the people who find themselves really affected by it, and so they discover consolation in understanding that our metropolis stands able to help them.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So there is no protest or strain to- to vary your present insurance policies extra in direction of one thing like out in Minneapolis?
MAYOR FREEMAN: No, there’s no- I imply, there’s pressures on a regular basis from different organizations, however we stand strong in our dedication to supply security to our neighborhoods and to our Latino-Hispanic communities, and we- we work with them each week, each month.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mayor Holt, I need to ask you about your metropolis, but in addition on this management function you may have. Like, how are you counseling mayors to undergo this proper now? This can be a actual strain on the federal degree to typically change native legal guidelines or state legal guidelines.
MAYOR HOLT: Properly, I do not know- a few- a number of observations in response to that. I imply, first off, it is actually necessary to level out that now we have enforced immigration legal guidelines on this nation for over a century. ICE has been round for twenty years. There was even a earlier Trump administration that- and in none of these instances did you see this degree of chaos in our cities. I perceive within the earlier Trump administration, there was controversy about issues on the border. However- however I am speaking about all of the, you realize, 1,000 miles from the border area–
MARGARET BRENNAN: — inside enforcement–
MAYOR HOLT: — in locations like Minneapolis. So, it’s- we are able to look again to earlier eras of normality and admire that there are methods to competently implement immigration legal guidelines on this nation. And I feel that is what we’re form of asking for is that type of pivot again to a brand new technique that could be an previous technique, and I feel all of us settle for that this administration prioritizes the next degree of enforcement. However what we’re seeing within the conflicts within the streets of Minneapolis is simply clearly unacceptable, and we’re nonetheless type of reeling from what occurred final Saturday. And you realize, we’re usually inspired that the administration appears to be exploring that pivot, you realize. And naturally, we perceive it takes time to type of get the proper personnel in place and make the insurance policies so, I imply, we’re giving them that area. However what was taking place in Minneapolis that form of culminated within the second demise of a protester final Saturday is clearly one thing that we’d all worry to occur in our cities. And we- we worry that that form of chaos was beginning to probably creep across the nation. I feel the opposite factor I need to observe, although, is that mayors are actually caught in a bit of little bit of an not possible state of affairs, as a result of, you realize, we take these roles with our chief obligation being the safety of our residents, and we’re even given a police division, folks with weapons to assist us in that pursuit. However there’s a factor known as the Supremacy Clause of america Structure, and when the federal authorities and federal legislation enforcement comes into your metropolis, we’re totally subservient to that within the eyes of the legislation, and we additionally imagine within the rule of legislation. So we get caught form of in the course of these tensions, and we’d like a federal authorities who will use discretion and restraint with that energy, and that has largely labored for the final 250 years. So- so I feel we- we simply must remind all people that that is doable. And I feel you see mayors possibly messaging a few of that to our residents, a few of it to Congress, a few of it to administration, simply looking for a cheerful medium for everyone the place we are able to coexist with all of those inherent tensions that, after all, have all the time existed and now we have largely been ready to- to handle.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, however that is why I feel it is so attention-grabbing to speak to you all as mayors, since you really need to take care of these folks day after day and safe their security, as you mentioned. But additionally, you realize, stay compliant. In Oklahoma, it seems to be just like the Freeway Patrol works with ICE to conduct stings, so that you do have some working collectively of state and federal–
MAYOR HOLT: Yeah I imply its a state company, the Oklahoma Freeway Patrol. That’s not our police division.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper, however once you see that working collectively, is it clean? Are there tensions now due to what simply occurred previously few weeks? Like, are folks questioning whether or not these insurance policies ought to keep?
MAYOR HOLT: Properly, I imply, let me differentiate and make it clear
MARGARET BRENNAN: Do folks have a look at Minneapolis and say that might occur right here, is what I am asking.
MAYOR HOLT: Each mayor in America, right here in DC was- was- was feeling that manner and and once more, not as a result of, not as a result of any of us assume that there should not be immigration enforcement proper now. I imply, this isn’t the query. It is simply how is it managed? I imply, now we have some mayor colleagues that have been former police chiefs, for instance, have actually nice experience in legislation enforcement. We’re all amateurs, proper, however, however these are individuals who did this for a dwelling, and so they’re telling us, they have a look at these movies and so they see police techniques that have not been you utilized wherever in 30 years in a neighborhood legislation enforcement company, that these are- these will not be the innovative methods of legislation enforcement that now we have been using- our police departments have been utilizing for the final quarter century to construct belief with our communities, and so that is what’s- it’s- it’s- it is not the idea- we’re probably not arguing about whether or not this nation ought to implement immigration. Everyone believes that. I imply not all people, however the broad swath of the American public does. However what we’re arguing about is- is police techniques and techniques and managing engagement with residents on the road. , now we have constructed a lot belief in these previous few years and labored actually laborious at that. And clearly this- this complete state of affairs, has- has threatened to erode that belief.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah, Mayor Lucas, I need to come to you on this concept of how the federal authorities is making an attempt to implement immigration in your metropolis, as a result of we checked, and I imagine you- you may have an identical expertise out in Oklahoma too, the place the federal authorities is trying to flip industrial warehouses into massive scale detention amenities for as much as 10,000 folks. That has triggered some friction in Kansas Metropolis. You’ve got tried to vary issues. You handed a metropolis ordinance to fight it. Are you able to really cease the federal authorities from doing it?
MAYOR LUCAS: , I feel there is a substantial query to it. The folks of Kansas Metropolis have requested us to verify, although, that we rise up for- on this state of affairs, easy zoning, that we ensure that we share what’s the viewpoint of the folks of Kansas Metropolis. There completely is a Supremacy Clause. There’s additionally a tenth Modification. And so in our view, that is- which is reserved to the States, which incorporates native zoning, native police powers, significantly the place personal contractors are within the transaction with the town, now we have the chance to interact. There’s been an extended battle close to us in Leavenworth, Kansas, you realize it for jail and a army base, the place they’ve additionally managed to reject the location of a federal facility working by way of a personal enterprise. So we needed to clarify not solely that folks largely did not need a 10,000 individual detention facility close to them, but in addition that they need to undergo issues like zoning a particular use allow. It sounds not directly boring. It’s core to what authorities is. However I feel taking us from maybe the political problem, there’s the easy one, which is in all of our communities, we need to make certain individuals are handled humanely. Changing a huge distribution facility subsequent to railroad tracks and all of that right into a warehouse for 10,000 folks for which it was by no means designed just isn’t proper, and it’s basically one thing that’s inhumane and inhospitable, no less than to the senses that now we have in Kansas Metropolis, and I might undergo you most American cities. So whether or not it’s changing big distribution amenities into mass detention warehouses, whether or not it is Alligator Alcatraz in Florida or something below the solar. I feel you’re seeing communities say, we need to ensure that if there shall be detention, if there shall be enforcement, it’s per constitutional ideas longterm.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Are you able to cease it? Are you aware but?
MAYOR LUCAS: , I feel that in all probability that be a federal district courtroom dedication I’ve seen, there have been many zoning battles through the years about what will be achieved. I feel the truth that you primarily have personal enterprises that need to construct these then lease to the federal government creates some degree of a query.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And simply on you, Mayor, rapidly, I noticed that the homeowners of the warehouse are actually making an attempt to not promote the property to Homeland Safety–
MAYOR HOLT: Appropriate yeah.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Is that this as a result of folks simply don’t desire it of their yard?
Properly, yeah, I imply, that is, that is really, I feel this complete query is attention-grabbing, as a result of it is really the place we are able to discover lots of unity. It is a land use query. It is not a political query and even an immigration query. It is- It is–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –Properly, for some folks, it’s, proper?
MAYOR HOLT: Yeah. I imply, possibly, however, but in addition, like, you will be for- you will be for a really aggressive method from ICE and never need to dwell subsequent to a detention middle, proper? So it turns into a NIMBY issue-
MARGARET BRENNAN: –Yeah. Not in my backyard–
MAYOR HOLT: And we even have a basic perception all the time in native management, and the idea that if there is a land use query, it ought to be adjudicated on the native degree. There ought to be hearings, and other people ought to be capable of speak, and there ought to be votes. And, you realize, when the federal authorities, nonetheless, traditionally, acquires land in a metropolis due to the Supremacy Clause, they do not ask for a factor. They do not ask for a zoning approval, they do not ask for a constructing allow. They simply do it. And that is the stress inherent right here. Nevertheless it’s form of simple for mayors to put aside the political dynamic right here and simply say, “Hey, that is a excessive impression use.” A detention middle. We have now a particular allow requirement for that. We would like to undergo a course of, take that by way of a course of, and so yeah, Kansas Metropolis handed a decision to attempt to create a- what might in the end be adjudicated flashpoint over that query. In our state of affairs in Oklahoma Metropolis, the ability that was proposed, now the homeowners are not- not- not partaking with DHS over that dialog, however we’ll see the place all that goes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And earlier than we depart, the subject of immigration, Mayor Higgins, almost 7% of Florida is undocumented, in accordance with Pew. In Miami, the police cooperate with ICE. However you, throughout your marketing campaign, have been very crucial of that call to cooperate. Can you alter the coverage with out the governor being on board?
MAYOR HIGGINS: We were- the governor issued a requirement that native municipalities cooperate with ICE, and lots of municipalities, together with the town of Miami, earlier than I turned mayor, signed that settlement. It is rather tough to unwind. It might take a vote of our metropolis fee to take action. So clearly, as mayor, I intend to adjust to the legislation, and so what now we have achieved in our 1,500 individual police division is now we have skilled three people, ought to ICE name which can be in a position to reply that decision and work with them. Clearly, we’ll adjust to the legislation, however we aren’t going to assist past that, as a result of in my group in South Florida, we’re essentially the most affected. ICE and its techniques have been in my group for over a 12 months. They’ve been inflicting nice worry and terror in our residents. I can not go wherever with out assembly somebody, my brother, my uncle, my sister, Alligator Alcatraz, no sabemos donde esta, we do not know the place they’ve been taken, and that has been occurring for months. It’s inhumane. It’s merciless. I am a Catholic. It is- I can barely grapple with the shortage of humanity round all this. After which what now we have very in a different way from some other group, in Miami Dade County, which we’re a part of, roughly 15% of our inhabitants has TPS. So that you’re speaking to–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –Short-term Protected Standing–
MAYOR HIGGINS: –Short-term Protected Standing. You are speaking about between 250 and 300,000 people that would- which have slowly however certainly, the place they’ve misplaced standing, however develop into in a single day illegals within the eyes of the federal authorities. And this enforcement in our Nicaraguan group, our Honduran group, our Venezuelan group, has pushed many individuals into hiding. Kids will not be going to high school, and clearly, ICE is deporting them. Tuesday night time, we face a really, very dire state of affairs. Our Haitian group loses its entry to TPS at midnight. 20% of TPS recipients with Haitian heritage work in well being care. So on Wednesday, we’re speaking about nursing houses, house well being care aides, hospitals, nurses, doctor aides, all of them are going to be out of a job once they get up on Wednesday.
MARGARET BRENNAN: As a result of their authorized pathway and standing goes to be revoked and immediately they develop into illegal–
MAYOR HIGGINS: -Sure, and unnecessarily. Haiti just isn’t protected. Venezuela just isn’t protected. TPS ought to be prolonged instantly for Venezuelans. It was erased with the stroke of a pen. It may be put in place with the stroke of a pen, and TPS for Haitian immigrants ought to completely positively be prolonged. Our economic system is at stake and our humanity is at stake.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We will watch that growing story. We have been speaking about it right here on ‘Face The Nation.’ I need to rapidly get to you all on one of many huge drain on sources that we have been seeing but in addition presumably a jobs growth, and that is within the tech area, significantly with these information facilities which can be being constructed. Out in Arizona, after all, taxpayers on the nationwide degree have funded this large laptop chip funding that is taking place out in Arizona. How do you stability technological innovation and sustaining entry to water and making power reasonably priced. How do you try this?
MAYOR FREEMAN: Properly, we do it collaboratively with our power provider. one factor about Arizona, we’re actually lucky. We have now TSMC, who’s the biggest semiconductor producer on the planet, in Phoenix. And in order that ripple impact with that producer has triggered lots of nice issues for Arizona, particularly for Mesa. We have now 30 Japanese firms, Korean firms, Taiwanese firms in Mesa supplying issues for the semiconductor business. And water is a key factor together with that, and we proceed to include that. We have labored with Arizona State College on their superior expertise. We have now- they simply opened up $180 million facility, 100 million {dollars} value of robots in there to show about excessive tech, and that is going to deliver jobs. That is going to deliver affordability to the town of Mesa as a result of then it should enable folks to have excessive paying jobs and be capable of meet the wants and calls for of dwelling and work. Now, did you need to get into water or–?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly you simply offered me in all the great issues, however you virtually are going to have to determine all the opposite issues too, like larger power costs, and also you already mentioned it is not a water disaster, nevertheless it’s a water problem?
MAYOR FREEMAN: It’s a water problem as a result of I informed you that now we have a 100-year assured water provide in Arizona, and it is a requirement for cities to maneuver ahead with that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Let me get to you right here. Mayor Holt, power costs in Oklahoma Up 7% year-over-year. How a lot is the tech growth driving up the power prices?
MAYOR HOLT: I do not know. I feel–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Is it?
MAYOR HOLT: I might- I might, I might love for any person to say Oklahoma Metropolis is having a tech growth, really, so.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, you have received information centers–
MAYOR HOLT: Properly, there’s–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –in the state.
MAYOR HOLT: –there’s some proposals, yeah, within the state, there’s some proposals coming ahead to place them within the metropolis. And I feel we’re nonetheless making an attempt to determine what we actually take into consideration that. I feel all of us are. And in case you’d- if I would been on the set six months in the past and also you requested me about information facilities, I might, I do not know what you are speaking about, that is embarrassing. However, however now it is like the- everything–
MARGARET BRENNAN: It is an enormous problem on the native level–
MAYOR HOLT: –It is an enormous problem. All of us received them coming ahead with zoning proposals and, and the necessity for water and power. I’ll say and we do not have all the main points at my fingertips, however a part of the explanation we come collectively is greatest practices and Lansing, Michigan could be value a Google as a result of they lately got here to an settlement with any person opening a knowledge middle, and the mayor shared all that with us this week, and it sounded pretty- like a fairly whole lot. Proper? So I feel that is going to be- I feel we’re all looking for benchmarks and attempt to discover, like, okay, if we’ll do that, what ought to we be asking for? And, and the Lansing, Michigan mannequin sounded fairly spectacular. However, I imply, you realize, we’re all considering jobs and funding in our cities, however clearly we received to verify the associated fee profit evaluation in the end works.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And final query to you, Mayor Lucas, greater than 30 AI information facilities in Kansas Metropolis? I had no concept.
MAYOR LUCAS: Yeah.
MARGARET BRENNAN: How are you managing that, although?
MAYOR LUCAS: , I feel it’s extremely controversial. So that you hear about the advantages, largely the dialogue of the advantages are the revenues that come each to native authorities, clearly, the businesses, the tech jobs, though there aren’t that many that include every information middle. The challenges are this–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –there aren’t?
MAYOR LUCAS: Proper. There- you are utilizing lots of land, you’re utilizing lots of utility sources, and also you’re utilizing the grid fairly a bit. And so although you’ll have the very best contracts long run, the query that is not simply on the metropolis degree, however actually for public regulatory commissions on the state degree and past, is how a lot is an excessive amount of? How a lot in a single group do you need to be depending on one financial sector, and basically, would you like this huge scale of a use throughout the road from any person’s home of their neighborhood with all of these challenges?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, I do know we’ll be monitoring it extra on ‘Face The Nation.’ Thanks all for becoming a member of us on this bipartisan trend.
MAYOR HOLT: That is what we do, that is mayors.
MAYOR HIGGINS: That is regular.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Hey, that is Washington, okay. It is nice to see you guys sitting down and speaking to one another and having a dialog about actual points that impression actual folks. Thanks all for becoming a member of us. We’ll be proper again.
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